Marquis
Automotive
- May 29, 2002
- 162
I have been digging deep into vehicle dynamics in general and Roll centres inparticular.
My OEM background has had me deliver various vehicle projects where Ive had a good overview but Im now digging in technically deeper. I intend to learn and also apply these learning to various project cars for different purposes. I'll cover what my key take aways have been and then share the roll centres I have (mostly from this very informative thread: and share my E type data. I picked an E type because, it generally has a simpler set up than modern multi link cars- so is easier for a green person like me to get my head aorund and because I own one ad can drive it , compare and get it on a lift and double check stuff.
These are some of my take aways- please feel free to add and comment as Im eager to improve my knowledge:
•The Steering axle benefits from low RC , long equivalent control arm lengths result in steering predictability due to minimal track change, minimal RC height change , minimal camber change etc
• High RC at the rear controls roll/yaw coupling and having a higher RC at the rear stabilizes the vehicles by causing yaw in the opposite direction to the direction of turn as the car rolls
• TLLTD at the front builds progressively with body roll. Higher rear RC means lots of nearly instantaneous geometric weight transfer from the rear end, causing transient overtsteer that compensates for other perceived sources of steering sluggishness (improves turn-in)
• Raising front roll centre improves on-centre steering feel
- A School of thought- as shared by Gordon Murray and practiced on the Maclaren F1- was to have the distance between the C of G and Rc the same front to rear, and keeping the Rcs both low.
By having Rcs higher rather than lower (or zero) a larger part of the TLLTD will be geometric . With lower Rcs more load will be transferred via the suspension system itself.With zero Rcs the load transfer will transfer immediately via the tyre contact patch while the rest of the Wt will pass through the springs and shocks. In addition zero Rc allows the lionshare of the vehicle dynamics tuning to be done by fine tuning the suspension. Im not sure how I feel about this one- I have no direct experience of a zero Rc (frt and rear) vehicle and suspension tuning it.
And finally
The E types roll centres seem rather high- 280 mm at the front and 146 mm at the rear. This seems weird to me-with high Rcs in general and the rear being lower than the front
Can anyone corroborate this?
Ive never pushed my E type to the limit, I know it has close to equal weight distribution, and have never heard of evil handling characteristics. The steering is very 'talky'.
Sideways To Victory!
My OEM background has had me deliver various vehicle projects where Ive had a good overview but Im now digging in technically deeper. I intend to learn and also apply these learning to various project cars for different purposes. I'll cover what my key take aways have been and then share the roll centres I have (mostly from this very informative thread: and share my E type data. I picked an E type because, it generally has a simpler set up than modern multi link cars- so is easier for a green person like me to get my head aorund and because I own one ad can drive it , compare and get it on a lift and double check stuff.
These are some of my take aways- please feel free to add and comment as Im eager to improve my knowledge:
•The Steering axle benefits from low RC , long equivalent control arm lengths result in steering predictability due to minimal track change, minimal RC height change , minimal camber change etc
• High RC at the rear controls roll/yaw coupling and having a higher RC at the rear stabilizes the vehicles by causing yaw in the opposite direction to the direction of turn as the car rolls
• TLLTD at the front builds progressively with body roll. Higher rear RC means lots of nearly instantaneous geometric weight transfer from the rear end, causing transient overtsteer that compensates for other perceived sources of steering sluggishness (improves turn-in)
• Raising front roll centre improves on-centre steering feel
- A School of thought- as shared by Gordon Murray and practiced on the Maclaren F1- was to have the distance between the C of G and Rc the same front to rear, and keeping the Rcs both low.
By having Rcs higher rather than lower (or zero) a larger part of the TLLTD will be geometric . With lower Rcs more load will be transferred via the suspension system itself.With zero Rcs the load transfer will transfer immediately via the tyre contact patch while the rest of the Wt will pass through the springs and shocks. In addition zero Rc allows the lionshare of the vehicle dynamics tuning to be done by fine tuning the suspension. Im not sure how I feel about this one- I have no direct experience of a zero Rc (frt and rear) vehicle and suspension tuning it.
And finally
The E types roll centres seem rather high- 280 mm at the front and 146 mm at the rear. This seems weird to me-with high Rcs in general and the rear being lower than the front
Can anyone corroborate this?
Ive never pushed my E type to the limit, I know it has close to equal weight distribution, and have never heard of evil handling characteristics. The steering is very 'talky'.
Sideways To Victory!