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Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free
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Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

Not surprised. The apparent point of any free software by a for-profit group is to undercut the competitor's sales. If marketing determined that this was not working, then there's no point in making it free anymore.

Cloud-based = permanently paying to access your files. It's a legal form of ransomware.

CAD companies are all tightening up as they can no longer provide the levels of growth they once did as the market fills. This will continue to pressure the low end users out of the market.

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

So I am no longer going to be able to use my DS 2105. This really pi$$es me off. Suppose I'll be looking for my next, free, .dwg compatible for my hobby use. If any...

Regards,

Mike

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

(OP)
I have already downloaded LibreCAD - Looks great for a free source 2D software.

Scott Baugh, CSWP pc2
CAD Systems Manager
Evapar

www.evapar.com

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RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

(OP)
3DDave

Quote (Cloud-based = permanently paying to access your files. It's a legal form of ransomware.)


You know I have never thought about it like that but you are absolutely correct! We have no plans to switch to cloud CAD. I bet all these changes are going to force a reaction from hackers to find a way to break into versions of CAD that more secure nowadays and are not on the cloud. More power to them if they do, because like you mentioned its a legal ransomware and its right for us not to own the files that we create.

Scott Baugh, CSWP pc2
CAD Systems Manager
Evapar

www.evapar.com

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RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

If the pricing wasn't per year I'd buy a copy as Draftsight's support for importing/converting/exporting between different versions of DWG is excellent. this is what I mainly use it for. Can LibreCAD even write out an Autocad dwg ? Trueview will prob do as a viewer but it's no substitute for Draftsight.

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

I'm not surprised either, but I'm glad- I can finally make the business case to move our entire engineering staff over to AutoDesk. Thanks, Dassault.

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free


Instead of Draftsight you can use Solid Edge Free2D:
https://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/plmapp/educ...
That is free professional 2D CAD plus free Viewer (Solid Edge, Parasolid, STEP, STL, JT, IGES, DWG, DXF).

For professional 3D cloud CAD my favorite is Onshape:
https://www.onshape.com/products/free
FreePlan with full CAD functionality, sheet metal and PDM. Available for open source and public projects.

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

Is Solidedge 2D completely free for commercial use ? I've been looking for the EULA but it points you to the full Solidedge EULA.

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

"Solid Edge 2D Drafting
Free 2D CAD Software
Whether you need to use 2D CAD software across your company or for a specific 2D design process, Solid Edge 2D Drafting provides production-proven 2D drafting software - for free."

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

*&%@#(*!!
I just smashed my face into this too. I use DraftSight about 10 times a year to cobble up a cnc router part or a field wiring diagram. I've always cursed the Dassault idiots because on two computers at least one would be whining about needing to be "activated" every rare time I opened it. Really aggravating, especially since the activation process was broken about half the time. So today the same thing 'you must activate (again!)' but with that nasty in-red you shall bend over after December.

I thought about using a cracked version to keep the files on MY computer instead of their cloud. Hilariously my anti virus program found and nixed the keycracker every time it opened. It would appear and in the time it took to read the file name it would vaporize it and my antiV would pop up a window to inform me of a 'save'.

I'm glad to hear there are some alternatives. I'll be trying them soon.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

(OP)
I found a cool piece of free 2D CAD software. Nanocad - Thus far I like it better than Solid Edge 2D or Libre

Scott Baugh, CSWP pc2
CAD Systems Manager
Evapar

www.evapar.com

Quote:

"If it's not broke, Don't fix it!"
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RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

I hope nanoCAD doesn't pull the same trick on us. It's also twice the price of DraftSight.


As for DraftSight ransoming our drawings, is that really true?? Can't we store them on our hardware and access them with any DFX or DWG tool? This is not like Fusion360 where you really are ransomed except they have a really generous licencing agreement. (Free for hobbyists or companies doing less than x$ business.)

I'd probably go with DraftSight except their licensing sucks for me. I work on drawings at home and at the office and they're allowing only one CPU period. So that would mean I'd have to buy 2 copies even though only one would ever be running at a time. Lame.

nanoCAD does offer floating licences except they demand the floaters be on the same network. LAME. What the hell's wrong with them? How hard is it to keep track of how many copies of a license are running on the planet?

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

Except for the lack of a DWG output I'm liking LibreCAD!!

Some of the features are better than these paid packages.

I'm not actually seeing a problem with a lack of a DWG output. I'll never use AutoScrewYou and all the other packages like my CAM stuff demands DXF anyway. Oh and they liked the DXF files I generated in LibreCAD.

LibreCAD is nice and small too. It opens my DWG files just fine too.

Thanks again Scott for pointing it out.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

There is also the "portable" version of LibreCad available. Can be run from a USB stick, (without installing it to the computer). I tried it, works OK, but I had problems when I tried to print in an exact (100%) scale. I was not able to achieve it. It could be a printer or driver problem.

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

Hi gearguru.

The shine is wearing off now. The zooming is annoyingly slow on my fast machine and just fine on my slow machine...bugeyed. It's also annoying that a little fly-over doesn't appear stating in text what a particular button does. Most other CAD programs seem to provide that and it makes for about 10X faster training and almost immediate use.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

Looks interesting. I'll try it. I agree with you, the LibreCad is not very user friendly.
Thanks for the link.

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

In a fit of frustration with some of Draftsight's own idiocy I downloaded the trial form of ACAD Lite. Geez what a difference! I haven't used Autocad in about 8 years and I was instantly back on track getting the job done in about a third of the time and with NO frustration.

Now I'm faced with contemplating a subscription to ACAD LT. "Summer sale", whatever the hell that means, is $800 for a 3 year term. I can probably rationalize that over $180 for, say, NanoCad with it's horrid licensing limits(*).

(*) All other CAD packages seem to require you run "server" software to share the license on other hardware and uselessly the computers must all share the same network. This is completely incompatible with the premise of working on my office computer OR my home laptop. This means I have to buy two seats to do my normal one-individual CAD. This makes all the cheap packages considerably more expensive than Autocad itself.

Autocad's single license runs on anything you have anywhere you have it. It simply "phone's home" to check out 'one user'. It runs on web-browser tech and so can even run on the likes of a cellphone. If you cloud-ize your drawing storage you can Acad edit your drawings anywhere any time.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

"Autocad's single license runs on anything you have anywhere you have it. It simply "phone's home" to check out 'one user'"

So does it work if you're offline ?

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

If you are attached to DraftSight and wish to continue using their "free" software then you may find this workaround useful.
I stumbled across this fix while trying to resolve an issue with the activation email box appearing every time I opened a drawing. I can attest to this working on DraftSight 2017 x64 SP0.

To get rid of the activation message just open Regedit.exe and navigate to: “HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SWActivation\K2”
Delete any sub key and value below “K2” (default key stays). Now edit permission on “K2”. Remove Full-Control from your
Current-User and set to Read-Only instead. Replace permission on this object. You should be able now to start DraftSight
without the activation message.

Here is the original article if you want the full context of the "fix". The text above comes from somewhere in the comment section.
https://gupta9665.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/fix-you...

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

(OP)
I am curious to know if that solution will allow people to continue to use Draftsight after their website specifically says all previous versions of Draftsight 2018 will stop after 12/31/19. We will find out when the time comes up here soon enough.

Really all you are doing here is resetting the activation process and after the above date, this tip goes away. Someone would have to figure out how to hack it to be able to use it, but that is illegal and they will prosecute if someone did that I am sure.

Scott Baugh, CSWP pc2
CAD Systems Manager
Evapar

www.evapar.com

Quote:

"If it's not broke, Don't fix it!"
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RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

I have just bough Draftsight as it is no longer free. It's a shame it is not still free, but better than being ripped off by AutoCad.

My question is:- Can I install DS on my laptop as well as my PC with the same license.??

BC

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

(OP)
That would be something to ask your VAR that you bought it from. I know that they don't allow that with SW anymore so it's questionable IMO

Scott Baugh, CSWP pc2
CAD Systems Manager
Evapar

www.evapar.com

Quote:

"If it's not broke, Don't fix it!"
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RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

I just tried it. I installed DS on the laptop and then tried to authorize it with the serial number that I had. It would not work, as it said it is a one machine license.

BC

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

The whole reason I probably won't use it. ONE USER but I cannot use it on two computers.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

So, I am thinking of saving all my .dwgs as DXF's as "insurance" in the transition to my next drafting program, what ever it is. Draftsight allows binary and ASCII formats. Should I prefer one over the other, for best compatibility? Should I even bother?

Regards,

Mike

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

Stick with 2013 ASCII.

Never had a problem with ASCII but I've had a lot of no-goes with binary.

One of the original tenants of DXF was so it was human readable and tweakable, so everything tends to understand it.

I'd recommend saving to DXFs, can't hurt and it leaves your DWGs all intact in case whatever you switch to still ingests DWGs.

My 30 days of ACAD LT just crapped out and I DXFed everything out of it and DS took them in fine. (ASCII R14 I think I saved them as)

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

itsmoked, thanks, I'll go with that. Was looking at the Nanocad site yesterday, I'm currently leaning that way.

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

Quote (NanoCad)

Subscription can be used on a single computer only.
License cannot be transferred.

$180/year.
Need to use it on your home laptop? Pony up ANOTHER $180.

Acad LT is for the next 2 days $320/yr and can be used on any computer with web access.
Acad LT

Check this free cad package. Seems very similar to Autodesk Fusion 360. A true 3D open source cad program. Seems too much for most of my drawings like field wiring for customers.
BRL-CAD

Check also Q-CAD

Of course DraftSight
Now $99/year. You'd need two separate licenses to Laptop at home. Total $198/year. $120/year less than Acad.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

(OP)
NanoCAD you can use for Free. That's what I am doing, why pay if you don't have too unless there is something you need in the paid version I guess then its an issue. Solidedge also has a Free 2D software you can download for free and use for free, but it's not very intuitive.

Scott Baugh, CSWP pc2
CAD Systems Manager
Evapar

www.evapar.com

Quote:

"If it's not broke, Don't fix it!"
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RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

For what I need, I am a low-level user. I don't need to run on more than one machine, I don't care a thing about 3D, I don't need to customize, etc, etc.

What I liked about DS was it operated whole bunches like ACAD. That's what I'm looking for in my next drafting program, that and either buy once, run forever, or better still, free.

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

Yeah but I'm learning that free means you'll be nagged to buy "better" constantly and when the number of users reaches a high enough level they'll screw you like Dassault has or they'll be bought and the new owners 'will take the company in a new direction', i.e. renege on everything.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

itsmoked, yeah, I can't wait for the Internet Of Things. Then, you won't even own your refrigerator :)

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

You'll own it it will just stop working if the license has lapsed.

"Mom! The mayonnaise is bubbling."

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

Looks pretty nice AnaAna.

It doesn't, however, look like a single user can use it at the office and at home or am I mistaken?

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

(OP)
itsmoked - all CAD companies are like that. After you get so many licenses installed they are going to want something for you building an entire company out a free product. Even AutoCAD is like that. The first job I was given at a previous job was from AutoDesk and it was a misuse of the # of licenses we owned versus how many were installed. Took over 9 months and close to 500k to resolve the issue. CAD companies wait until you get so many licenses installed then they come after you to pay for the service they have provided to you. If you just buy it upfront its a lot less hassle in the end.

NanoCAD does not ask me to buy anything. It does have a startup screen is about all I see. I have installed 1 license I am not worth their time.

Scott Baugh, CSWP pc2
CAD Systems Manager
Evapar

www.evapar.com

Quote:

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RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

+1 for QCAD. I've been using it since the announcement above. It works fine with all my old .dwg files, is free and open source and works on Linux, MAC, and Windows. Your designs are stored locally so everything is under your own control unlike cloud based systems.

Goodbye Dassault. I will not be recommending your products any more.

Russell

RE: Draftsight 2019 - no longer Free

I tried both TurboCAD and QCAD (bought them both), but I just can't get used to the UI of either one. My age use of AutoCAD since R12 seems to have permanently programmed my brain to how a 2D CAD program is supposed to work. I'm surprised to not see any mention of ProgeCAD here. It's not free, it runs $499 for a permanent seat license. I'm actually considering this option. It's a nearly seamless & identical interface to AutoCAD, using all the same commands and 1&2 character command aliases. As a bonus, the arctext command is MUCH more refined than in AutoCAD. I use this pretty often when designing 2D profiles for a CNC router.

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