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Skylease Cargo 4854
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Skylease Cargo 4854

Skylease Cargo 4854

(OP)
For those interested. This morning's incident at Halifax airport (CYHZ) with Sky Lease Cargo 4854, 747-400, registration N908AR. Reportedly the four crew were not seriously injured. Happened upon landing. Overshot runway a bit.

Only about 5km from my workplace. My picture, taken from the perimeter fence next to the road.

RE: Skylease Cargo 4854

Is that a vertical crack in the fuselage?

That'll buff right out

RE: Skylease Cargo 4854

(OP)
The speculative consensus is that the airframe is a write off; which is sad. But at least nobody was seriously injured.

This cargo flight is a very regular 'lobster run', usually to Asia.

RE: Skylease Cargo 4854

A few years ago an airplane came up short on the runway at the same airport. Looks like most of the fault was with the airline.

RE: Skylease Cargo 4854

So it was coming in empty - no tons of rotting lobster involved?

A shame.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

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(OP)
Air Canada 624 incident in 2015 (pictured above) was initially described as a 'hard landing' [?!?]. There were injuries. It was very close to being much worse; the approach was too low and the fuselage just cleared the embankment.

MK Airlines 1602 crash in 2004 was bad. Seven crew killed. That was the one that involved over 50t of lobsters and other seafood.

RE: Skylease Cargo 4854

From what I'm reading the longer runway had construction, the wind was strong, and the weather had a low ceiling with rain. Seems clear cut that the pilots goofed and landed long or otherwise exceeded the capability of the aircraft to stop in time.

Ian Riley, PE, SE
Professional Engineer (ME, NH, VT, CT, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries https://www.facebook.com/AmericanConcrete/

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Yikes, found out from others that the wind was 260° at 16 knots gusting to 21 knots. This is a 18 knot crosswind and an 11 knot tailwind. I'm sure the 747 can handle the crosswind but a tailwind adds a lot to a landing roll distance.

Looks like they needed to use that runway as the opposite side doesn't have an ILS instrument approach (only GPS approaches, not sure if the aircraft was equipped for those).

Ian Riley, PE, SE
Professional Engineer (ME, NH, VT, CT, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries https://www.facebook.com/AmericanConcrete/

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VE1BLL; Always amazed by how Canadian newspaper articles seem to be written by intelligent clear minded responsible authors as compared to virtually every American newspaper article - written by clueless idiots.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

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Was thinking the same thing, Keith.

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"It was to be loaded with live lobster in Halifax before heading to China, with a stop along the way in Alaska."

Oh the humanity!

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VE1BLL; Always amazed by how Canadian newspaper articles seem to be written by intelligent clear minded responsible authors as compared to virtually every American newspaper article - written by clueless idiots.
They are playing to their audience.

RE: Skylease Cargo 4854

Ouch Spartan!!


That was a low punch.


Years ago, after a pipeline disaster in Canada, I read a Canadian newspaper account and was floored that it stated diameter, flow, pressure, depth, type of soil, and other conditions during normal ops and then just prior to the disaster. Then I see the above article and realized that first article wasn't just a fluke.


Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: Skylease Cargo 4854

Even our Canadian journalists couldn't do much with that bridge in Saskatchewan. grin
They tried but the local authorities didn't give them much to work with.
Bill
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"Why not the best?"
Jimmy Carter

RE: Skylease Cargo 4854

(OP)
The news today mentions that a back hoe is being used to break it up (or perhaps into sections?).

No pictures yet.

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Avweb reported two runway overruns, the 747 barely garnered a sentence.

Few Injuries In Two Overruns

Russ Niles



A couple of runway overruns in the last few days have wrecked millions in hardware but did not hurt anyone seriously. On Friday morning, a Fly Jamaica Boeing 757 went off the end of Cheddi Jagan International Airport’s runway in Guyana and plowed into a sand pile at the lip of a 40-foot drop. The plane had taken off a few minutes earlier for Toronto and returned after reporting hydraulics problems. There were 120 passengers and eight crew aboard and six were slightly injured. That airplane might be useable again but a 747-400 cargo plane will be taken to the scrap heap from Halifax’s Stanfield International Airport.

You are judged not by what you know, but by what you can do.

RE: Skylease Cargo 4854

Ack, click-bait; videos of backhoes moving abOUt, but no ripping.

btw, the Chinese name on the plane is far more interesting than the English Skylease; literal translation is "year year have fish," i.e., "We always have fish"

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We always have fish

Well then, I guess it's: "So long, and thanks for all the fish." [Strangely applicable. Ref smile]

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'Real ATC' audio of the incident: https://youtu.be/sNrMFiqnc0Q

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From the ATC record, I noticed that the fire crew asked if there were any dangerous goods on the aircraft.
It is interesting to consider just how much complex data management would be required for ATC to actually have the aircraft manifest at their fingertips, and be able to answer that firefighter's question.

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