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# Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?8

## Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

(OP)
Sitting for most of the day is apparently really not good for you. When we design assembly cells at my new place standing and moving is now to a requirement, regardless of necessity (this caused some grumbling from the floor). Now there's kind of a "suggestion" that you can have a "standing desk" if you want one (I don't). I'm wondering how long until standing while working is a requirement for office personnel too. A company would probably reap health benefit rewards from implementing such a policy. Has anyone's company took the plunge yet?

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

With us, it's only allowed with Doctor's note....for now. I haven't seen an ergonomics program here yet.

My last company started an ergonomics program, and after that, about half the engineers requested a standing desk, and I only saw about 10% of any one of those actually use it.

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### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I'm typing this while standing, at my elevating desk. I like it, when I feel the need to stand, I can stand. When I want to sit, I can sit. I'm probably 60% standing and 40% sitting.

One thing I recommend is one of the "standing mats" that you sometimes see in front of kitchen sinks (only much bigger). Standing on a concrete floor all day is tiring without one.

More to the OP's question, everyone one in my office has a stand/sit desk, but I'd say most just sit at them.

Are the desks being implemented standing only? Or do they move up and down?

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

one guy here swapped his chair for a "posture ball"

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I've seen them advertised but admittedly never saw one in reality. Several colleagues however have had the height of their cube desk adjusted upward to stand and either only sat for breaks or used a tall chair/stool upon occasion.

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We have large workstations. My PC is on a low desk, to the left of me is a low desk, and behind me is a standing desk. I like to review drawings while standing but I'm not sure if I could use my PC standing all the time. Some in the office have all their desks high.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I never used one and I can only think of a single guy in our office who had one. I always thought it looked a bit uncomfortable, besides, if you were in his office there really wasn't any place to sit down as he only had a sort stool that he could lean back on. Now there were several people who, while they had normal desks, did use a sort of 'chair' where they knelled on it:

Again, I don't really have a 'body type' that would make this sort of chair all that practical.

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### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I knew a guy who worked from home that had his computer monitor mounted on the ceiling and a setup so that he could lay in bed all day while he worked. He wasn't injured or anything but I guess it worked for him. I would joke that one day I would read his obituary and it would read that he was killed by his computer monitor falling from the ceiling. He wasn't worried at all about it falling.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

(OP)
"I knew a guy who worked from home that had his computer monitor mounted on the ceiling and a setup so that he could lay in bed all day while he worked. He wasn't injured or anything but I guess it worked for him. I would joke that one day I would read his obituary and it would read that he was killed by his computer monitor falling from the ceiling. He wasn't worried at all about it falling."

Was he an engineer? If he was and he dies that way, he sort of deserves it!

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#### Quote (rb1957)

one guy here swapped his chair for a "posture ball"

Like this guy?
Dwight's Fitness Orb

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

Standing still all day isn't particularly good for you either. Ideally what you need to be doing is to change positions frequently, either by having a desk that can be raised and lowered, quietly and easily, or by using a walking desk, which I have at home. As IRstuff says, there are some tasks that you need to sit down for, but for reading emails and phone conferences a walking desk is fine. If I need to stop and think I switch the damn thing off, and if I'm building a model or working something out I sit at a normal desk.

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### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

Seems like to only opportunity for one to sit would be the occasional trip to the restroom

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

Like in high school, when the teacher does something, like wearing a beret, it suddenly becomes absolutely uncool for the students to wear berets, the same thing just happened in our office.
The boss set up his desk in stand-up fashion a few months ago, so now there's no way you'll convince me to go stand-up. I'd just look like a brown-noser!

STF

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

One of our managers has used a standing desk for a few years now. He suffers from problems with his back, and the fact that he's stayed with the standing desk rather than reverting to a conventional type indicates that, in his specific case, the standing desk has proved beneficial. I myself picked up a serious spinal injury a few years ago and in my case regular exercise and keeping weight off works better than standing in managing my injury.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I rather like using a four-poster drafting table as a desk, and a tall wooden stool to sit when needed.

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I have a "posture ball" chair. Every once in a while my back gives me grief and using the ball chair helps it sort itself out faster.

Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I saw this in an oil refinery in Sweden. The guy's desk could move up and down so he could change positions -- sit, stand -- not sure about lying down :). I'd love it, I sit like a bag of potatoes all day.

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My company moved offices at the beginning of the year. They let us request standing desks. Now a number of us have Varidesks. I love it. I didn't get a whole lot of input on what I got but the 36" desk they ordered just barely fits two 24" monitors. It has a two-tier design. I have my keyboard and mouse on the lower front tier and my monitors on the upper back tier. The lower tier is just big enough for me to move the keyboard to the upper tier and markup on 11x17 sheets or draft on letter sheets. I also have just enough room to put documents on the upper tier and type below. Since it is a Varidesk I can move it up and down. The only snag I have run into is moving it will sometimes giggle my monitor cables and I have one monitor cut out. Overall a first world problem. I would estimate that I stand 75% of my day and sit the other 25.

Robert Hale, PE

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When I was working, I had this fabulous device that I would hold by a handle and I would exersize many times a day by following it, sometimes briskly and other times not so briskly, to many places: conference rooms, colleagues’ cubicals, shop floor meetings, BS sessions and back to my desk. Oh, by the way, it also held java.

Skip,

Just traded in my OLD subtlety...
for a NUance!

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I got a Varidesk (like Robert's) for my office (which happens to be at home).
I normally sit all morning, and then stand for a while to start the afternoon. It keeps me awake!
If I find myself fidgeting I'll so back to sitting.
The change of position is what is good for you.
The only thing that I don't like is that the lower tray for the keyboard makes the KB a bit too high for me when sitting.
I might just remove it. There is room in front of the monitors to place the KB there when standing.

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P.E. Metallurgy, Plymouth Tube

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

We're moving into a new space soon - cubes to tables - the table tops can be raised and lowered to accommodate standing or sitting.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

Couple people at my office have a sit/standing desk and they also report that the standing seems to keep them more alert through the day. One of them is an engineer and he says that drawing work is easier for him standing up - the adjustable table height lets him get a good angle to make the bending and stretching on the larger prints easier.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

That's why at one time, many drawing boards were vertical. When I started my first professional job, back in Michigan in 1966, they had just converted all of their vertical drawing boards into horizontal drafting tables. They left one large vertical drawing board in place mostly for creating large templates for the optical tracer used on the heavy-plate, flame-cutting machine. It was about 10 feet long and it was ideal when needing to strike large arcs on Mylar using a length of light chain and a Rapidograph pen.

I only had to use it a couple of times, but I think I would not have liked to work like that all day, every day. Of course, in 1977 we got our first CAD/CAM system and we had a large format pen plotter so from then on virtually all of the burner-templates were 'plotted', ink-on-Mylar.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
EX-Product 'Evangelist'
Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

There must be some range between Standing Desks and Run For Your Lives Desks. Perhaps a Saunter At A Constant Pace Desk? In these days of easy access to automation and wireless components one might make a desk that wanders about at random, requiring the users to be really engaged with their work. Stop paying attention and maybe it takes a while to track the desk down. Certainly with some hacking it could lead to a desk that uses facial recognition to actively avoid the user. Happy April Fools Day.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I was in one place that did have a standing desk that was attached to a treadmill. The original inhabitant got it for themselves so they could run during lunch break and mosie during the rest of the day. The guy left for another site but I am told it was a sight to behold and a wonder he never hurt himself. An inspiring example, just not sure corporate liability teams are that risk tolerant.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

Some years ago, the company I was working for drew up plans for a new router room, for CNC routers/mills. As part of this there was an office cubicle with two desks and computers for the programmers to use when setting up jobs on the machines. The general manager took one look at this and said" I am not going to have those lazy sods sitting around and drinking coffee all day , put in stand up terminals for them , so that was what we got.
B.E.

You are judged not by what you know, but by what you can do.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

My office is setup with motorized standing desks for every open cubicle. I see very few people use it for the entire day. I use it sparingly, but mostly after lunch. Overall I like having the option to stand and work when needed. It's great to use when you need to review stuff on colleagues computer instead of hunching over or borrowing a nearby chair.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

#### Quote (My office is setup with motorized standing desks for every open cubicle.)

We have that too but the overwhelming majority of us sit.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I could never stand all day- it would kill my feet. Even on a fatigue mat.

Being able to change positions would be grand. But I need to keep my cube walls, thanks. Put me in an "open office" with tables and I'll fail- hell, I already fail in the cube, and need a day at home every week so the tasks I find impossible to focus on in the cube can actually get done (if I schedule them properly).

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

A few of my (new) office fellows are setting up standing desks. I'm seeing the advantages, and considering it for myself.
The units they're getting - little shelves on scissor stands - are a bit flimsy and don't allow much keyboard + mouse space.
I have a drafting table at home, and since I don't draft on paper any more, it seems like something I could modify.

STF

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

OK
Got mine. I like it.
I've had it for a couple of months and I'm still standing for much of the day. My back is thanking me, my feet have a different opinion. New insoles helped.

I also solved the keyboard tray problem: I cut a spare sheet of honeycomb panel, put wood trim around the edges and matched the holes where the screws go.
Put more wood trim on around the screws to support the extra cantilever forces. Coat of wood stain, and a clear-coat on the honeycomb panel so you KNOW what it's made of.
Now the keyboard shelf is big enough for a full-size keyboard, mouse pad, coffee cup, and a notepad.

No one believes the theory except the one who developed it. Everyone believes the experiment except the one who ran it.
STF

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I always liked working out of construction job site trailers. Upon almost any excuse, I could go out and play in the dirt.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

We also have the option to obtain a standing desk upon request. I have so far opted out.

What do you guys think about places moving to an "open concept"? We have been considering it and there are many mixed feelings about how it might go.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

"Open concept" appeals to the bean counters, because you can get more engineers per square foot of floor space. Bad enough if you're a junior engineer to share a cube with one other engineer, but 3 is a bit much.

That teensy bit of overhead cost reduction is more than offset by the loss in productivity, I would think. Note that most bean counters don't bother to do the math on the downsides of their proposals. I once was at a place where they decided to put all the copy machines on timers, which saved them lots of money with the utility, but it meant that every time an engineer would need to make a copy, some poor program would get socked for about $10.00 because the company saved about$0.75 of electricity cost.

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### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I may previously have mentioned my employer's thirst for office fads destined to drive engineers to distraction. I think the last time I posted on the subject, we had to book ourselves a desk every day, with there never being quite enough to go around. This is now giving way to a fabulous scheme where you can't book desks any more but, if you've got one and need to go off to a meeting for more than ninety minutes, you have to log off and clear out so someone else can move in. Oh how we laughed when they told us about that one.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

We moved into an open office last December. The bean counters who run the company said "this will improve collaboration", "increase productivity", "provide new opportunities", "leverage our strengths", "cut across business lines", "blah, blah, blah". Meanwhile they avoided the truth: Saving big  on NYC rent; we have three times as many people in the same space. To me, it's like the old days; everyone in one room; no big deal. One drawback, the geniuses who designed the office didn't provide enough toilets and they didn't make them handicap accessible to boot.

Two things originally: 1) There weren't going to be assigned seats but at least the management heard our complaints and gave in. however, at first they said nothing could be left on our tables at the end of the day. However, they gave in on that also (I think the admins who were charged with badgering us got tired of the daily abuse.) 2) Not enough seats for everyone (not just in the restrooms), which didn't work out either. Working remotely doesn't always work. They transferred a group of people to another office to create more seats.

The idiots who run the company aren't engineers; they don't know anything about engineers, or engineering, or how we work. The would rather waste money on things like Standout, Sales Force, Smart Goals, which don't help with designing a bridge or road, rather than providing us with the technical tools we need.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

One has to realize that the norm of the world is that there's almost always an over-abundance of idiots; unlike Lake Wobegon, not all managers are above average.

We used to have a saying at a previous company Z, "Z University, where you learn what not to do."

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### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

My career started in 2008, I had a cube with very tall walls. I really liked it. Then around 2011, my office went to the "open" floor concept. Cube walls were 3' tall, glass, and if my eyes deviated from my screen at all, I'd be in a starring contest with my colleagues. I did not like it. By 2016, I had changed companies and this firm took it even further, I was basically sharing desks with other engineers. I would routinely put on large headphones to block out conversations, etc..

2018, I changed jobs again and I now have an office. Based on my anecdontal opinions, I would say I'm far more productive in an office than I was in a cube.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I was part of a limited experiment by a former employer to try a completely open, no walls, just big shared tables with a few assigned shelves concept. I believe 100% of the engineers found it ridiculous due to limited storage space and lack of anyplace to hang cheat sheets for quick reference. The "business" folks (sales, purchasing, etc) OTOH seemed to love it as they could freely bs with their neighbor, which they did often.

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" if my eyes deviated from my screen at all, I'd be in a starring contest with my colleagues."

LOL, you were supposed to be looking at your shoes...

No-wall just seems silly; there's always bound to be some movement in your peripheral vision, and as we are(were) hunter-gathers, that's like ,"Rabbit! Rabbit!" an absurdly distracting environment.

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### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

Not sure how you're supposed to think out of the box when you're stuck in a cube.

I used to count sand. Now I don't count at all.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I get enough people through my cube that I occasionally sneak down the street to the Henry Ford Museum during lunch or early/late for a bit of both inspiration and solitude.

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I do have to wonder, how many Henry Fords are there? Enough to make a whole museum of them? Are they like wax figures, or mummified?

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:P There's been at least three. The founder of FoMoCo, his grandson the II, and his great great grandson the III whom I am professionally and mildly socially acquainted with - heck of a nice guy btw.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

About a third of our office, so 20 desks, are adjustable for standing with a strong preference for the integrated ones, not the type that sit on a standard fixed desk.

The whole office is open desks with just a 12-inch high partition. We have a few enclosed conference and collaboration rooms, but all have glass walls. Only one room, the lactation room, has solid walls. This makes it difficult to have sensitive meetings or to discuss projects that are NDA or 'top secret' For some reason we have a few clients that request super secrecy for their buildings during design. I can't help but think the general paranoia endemic in the people who work in the tech world is the reason.

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### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

Facebook's Menlo Park facility is open space with computer desks. The hardwalled rooms are reserved for meeting rooms, and they all have at least one LARGE window. No way to hide secrets there. Can't remember actually seeing meeting rooms that are completely closed, but I've only been a visitor there.

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### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

Windowed meeing rooms... interesting that some companies apparently mistrust their own employees more than the outside world.

If open space were great, it would have been a senior management privilege.

### RE: Anyone's office moving to "Standing desks"?

I don't know what Zuckerberg does now, but 4 years ago, he used the same computer stations as all his engineers, and typically camped out in one of the meeting rooms. As far as I know, all managers have the same computer stations. I think the meeting room windows are more seeing if the room is empty; I've been told that there's a chronic shortage of meeting rooms.

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