Changes to the iron ring ceremony 4

[geotechguy1]

https://engineerscanada.ca/news-and...-in-calling-for-changes-to-iron-ring-ceremony

For the Canadians out there who went through this.

Good to see some changes being proposed. Personally, I went through this a decade ago now and I thought it was some weird shit leading up to it and then I actually did the ceremony and it was some even weirder cult like shit. I appreciate the symbolism behind the ring but the ceremony itself feels like something out of a stone masons meeting from 1890.

 

[dik]

Because of my exposure to 'Bad Engineering' when I first started, I do not wear an iron ring.

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[phamENG]

The US started up something similar. No secret cult meetings, though (just looked that up - 'Corporation of the Seven Wardens' - whiskey tango foxtrot?), but we did get a ring to wear. Lost mine beneath the seat of my car and never could get it out. Went to the scrap heap to be melted down and recycled...

 

[GregLocock]

Canadians, eh?

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[dik]

C eh, N eh, D eh... yup...

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[geotechguy1]

phamENG - there's a joke that the biggest spike in ordering replacement rings is the day after the ceremony because usually there is a big party at a pub after and half the people lose them anyway.

And then again 5 and 10 years later as grads adapt to being desk-bound and not living on ramen noodles and cheerios and their fingers pad out a bit

 

[NorthCivil]

long overdue. and good reason so

by the time 4th year students do the ceremony, they are so used to going through the motions, they just go through the motions again, to get the heck out of there with as least hassle as possible.

engineering school teaches one how to get things done expediently.

I cant remember all the particulars about the ceremony, but do remember a couple moments where i felt a bit bad for the girls. but we all just overlooked those bits in an effort to get on with things. Plus by that point, those girls were battle hardened, having dealt with so much crap along the way.

 

[CWB1]

Yeeeeaaaaaa...just googled the Canadian ceremony and my first thought was - pretty weird, apparently Canadians arent as vanilla as I thought.

IIRC stateside I was just handed my stainless ring when I received my senior capstone project materials/grade back, nothing fancy, was optional and cost ~$10.

 

[drawoh]

Those people who do not like Rudyard Kipling should read George Orwell's article on him. There is a book out there entitled The Decline of the English Murder, which is a collection of George Orwell essays. I recommend it highly.

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[271828]

It has been almost 35 years since I started my engineering life and I had never heard of this.

I had also never heard of the US counterpart, the Order of the Engineer, until last year.

I need to crawl out of my cave more often. LOL. Or these guys need to do more marketing.

 

[BrianPetersen]

I don't remember mine ...

 

[dik]

drawoh... thanks for the 'heads up'

https://www.orwell.ru/library/reviews/kipling/english/e_rkip/

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[Sparweb]

dik,
The .ru top domain doesn't come through for me (for good reason).

Another search come up with :

[In Anglo-Indian families,] [he] was a sort of household god with whom one grew up and whom one took for granted whether one liked him or whether one did not. […] For my own part I worshiped Kipling at thirteen, loathed him at seventeen, enjoyed him at twenty, despised him at twenty-five, and now again rather admire him. George Orwell’s obituary for Rudyard Kipling, New English Weekly, 1936

 

[Sparweb]

As for the iron ring ceremony, I didn't bother, and boy did I miss out on something really strange.
How does anyone keep a straight face doing that??

 

[dik]

Same here... it did when I first clicked it... dunno...

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[ProEpro]

I just read the man who would be king. I only knew Kipling's children's stories. I was in for a surprise. However, it is not the only work I have read from that time and I appreciate the perspective it gives me on how things have changed for the better.

 

[drawoh]

Sparweb,

You are a technologist, right? We have diplomas, not degrees. I did not do the iron ring ceremony either.

Kipling did speak to the idea of people (men) taking responsibility for stuff.

McAndrew’s Hymn

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[IRstuff]

Responsibility is also at the heart of Kipling's "White Man's Burden"

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[SAITAETGrad]

Stalin believed the Holomodor was justified because he was building a better world. He was simply the bureaucrat willing to make the tough decisions by his reasoning.

Just looking at the 20th century alone, there are many similar examples.

In Canada today, we attack those who championed residential schools or eugenics. We forget that at the time these were progressive movements intended by those who championed them to be to the benefit of all in society. Destroying cultural norms is always seen as central in these efforts.

The pattern repeats.

1. People with power determine their world view is superior.
2. They determine the need to "...build a better world" by imposing their world view on everyone.
3. They naturally identify those whose lifestyle, culture and world view is different.
4. They see these cultural outgroups who want to simply be left alone in peace as being in opposition to "...a better world" and therefore morally inferior.
5. They self-justify de-humanizing these cultural outgroups and therefore feel justified in punishing them.
6. They take on a mob mentality fueled by demagoguery and hate. They are morally superior and therefore justified.
7. The cultural outgroup suffers.
8. We do not get "...a better world".

The Chinese cultural revolution -

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[drawoh]

SAITAETGrad,

Stalin was an egotistical sociopath. In his review of Kipling, Orwell makes a very clear distinction between Kipling, and the absolute power freaks of the thirties and forties.

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