Log In

Come Join Us!

Are you an
Engineering professional?
Join Eng-Tips Forums!
  • Talk With Other Members
  • Be Notified Of Responses
    To Your Posts
  • Keyword Search
  • One-Click Access To Your
    Favorite Forums
  • Automated Signatures
    On Your Posts
  • Best Of All, It's Free!

*Eng-Tips's functionality depends on members receiving e-mail. By joining you are opting in to receive e-mail.

Posting Guidelines

Promoting, selling, recruiting, coursework and thesis posting is forbidden.

Students Click Here

Erosion under driveway

Erosion under driveway

Erosion under driveway

My mom called me over to her house because she said she had a "sinkhole" forming at the corner of her driveway that abuts the garage. I am going to attach a series of pictures showing the erosion. I am thinking the water causing the issue is coming from the roof valley (picture below). I can't believe how the soil was washed out all the way across the driveway along the garage foundation. I am waiting for a heavy rain so I can see it happening and verify the cause of the problem.

Now the question I have is how should I repair this? I was thinking I may tremie neat cement/grout under the driveway, after I have sealed the exit area. However I am not sure if I can get enough grout in there to ensure there is no gap between the existing aspahlt and grout. My second idea was to sawcut or use a sledge hammer to remove the asphalt and just fill the trench with concrete flush against the garage concrete.

I am going to install some roof gutters to route the water away from this area when I confirm this is what is causing the problem.

Any suggestions/recommendations are welcomed.

RE: Erosion under driveway

jmcc....remove the asphalt. Fix the downspouts! Backfill the erosion with drainable material. It looks like the material is a slightly clayey, silty fine sand. You could also add an underdrain; however, not really necessary if you fix the erosion source.

Extend a concrete apron from the garage outward for a few feet, the you can use asphalt....or concrete the driveway.

RE: Erosion under driveway

Along with Ron's thought the material you fill with should be a filter to hold back the fines yet let water pass. An all 'round filter is concrete sand. If in doubt look up ASTM C-33 fine aggregate. However, at the discharge end you need to hold the concrete sand some how. I'd place a layer or "block" of porous gravel, say #4 size (1/4")up to an inch or a little more. Pack the concrete sand in to fill any cavities that do not show. Patch the top area with blacktop or concrete. An alternative that "may" do the job is pack in the concrete sand from both ends and use the gravel as final fill on he outlet zone.

I had a similar problem with a concrete driveway. I cored holes in the slab and forced in (pounding in one little bit at a time down the cored hole 3" diam. with a 2-3/4" diam wooden ram )dirty sand containing a small amount of bentonite clay (4 percent) and a little cement 6% in a sloppy slurry.. It took several such cored places to finally stop the erosion. Soil here is fine sand. The loss of mix water in that sand stiffened up the mix and so only small areas of voids could be treated, meaning plenty of cores needed. Ended up with them on about 2 ft centers. The cement, bentonite and sand in the mix made the fill sand very impermeable. This also could work at the subject site, but then will a new path develop? In my case there was an alternative path for the water. If you use bentonite, go easy because it likes water and can expand GREATLY.

RE: Erosion under driveway

With no rain gutters it is not surprising that this would happen. Water has to go somewhere, and the soil below the driveway was fill.

Urethane injection could work (if you plug the open ends), but the job may be too small for many contractors. The price has come down and there are more contractors doing residential work, so it may be an option. On the other hand, with the damage to the asphalt it would be to cut out the asphalt, deal with the soil and drainage, and have that area repaved(or extend the concrete apron).

RE: Erosion under driveway

It is a driveway and garage entrance.
Have you taken steps to prevent concrete collapse/cracking by the loads before the repairs are complete?

Red Flag This Post

Please let us know here why this post is inappropriate. Reasons such as off-topic, duplicates, flames, illegal, vulgar, or students posting their homework.

Red Flag Submitted

Thank you for helping keep Eng-Tips Forums free from inappropriate posts.
The Eng-Tips staff will check this out and take appropriate action.

Reply To This Thread

Posting in the Eng-Tips forums is a member-only feature.

Click Here to join Eng-Tips and talk with other members! Already a Member? Login


eBook - Functional Prototyping Using Metal 3D Printing
Functional prototypes are a key step in product development – they give engineers a chance to test new ideas and designs while also revealing how the product will stand up to real-world use. And when it comes to functional prototypes, 3D printing is rewriting the rules of what’s possible. Download Now

Close Box

Join Eng-Tips® Today!

Join your peers on the Internet's largest technical engineering professional community.
It's easy to join and it's free.

Here's Why Members Love Eng-Tips Forums:

Register now while it's still free!

Already a member? Close this window and log in.

Join Us             Close