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BSVBD

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You Furnish The Steel, You Furnish The Fastener.

This is a "Rule of Thumb" I learned when estimating for a steel fabricator several years ago.

Sounds like simple and reasonable, common-sense to me.

Is this an unwritten rule or is this actually written somewhere in the depths of AISC or other?

Although I cannot believe the general contractor is actually inquiring, I'd rather have valid support of my "two-cent's" before I offer it, which may become an offering in a dispute.

Opinions? Documentation? Reference? Other?

Thank you!
 
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Section 2.1 of the AISC code of standard practice.

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It goes on in section 2.2 to further define what is not considered structural steel.
 
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We have worked for clients who wanted to buy their own steel. The only issue is providing the erector with the fasteners he is expecting for slip-critical conditions. Twist-off? DTI? Turn of the nut? This needs to be coordinated. Bolts also seem to come up missing on the site and you end up with a he said, she said type situation.

 
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The General Contractor divides the work between subcontractors and suppliers. Whether he use a code of practice is up to him.
 
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The Code of Standard Practice item above is just the definition of structural steel, but doesn't say who furnishes what. But see Section 7.7 which does say who furnishes what (that's the version in the 9th Ed ASD book, may be different in newer versions.)
 
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JStephen....is there anything necessary other than 9th Ed ASD?[lol]
 
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JStephen... In the commentary of AISC 13th, 16.3-6, of what sbisteel provided, it states, "The fabricator 'normally' fabricates that items listed in Section 2.1." I interpret this to mean that the "Connection materials for framing Structural Steel to Structural Steel" are to be considered a "Code of Standard Practice" of what the fabricator would furnish / provide.

JStephen... Where is Section 7.7 in AISC 9th ASD? (I'm assuming you meant "AISC" 9th?)

All... Isn't AISC considered a credible reference to be used for or against the steel fabricator in specifying what the fabricator is responsible to furnish? I know I've heard both general contractors, fabricators and detailers reference AISC essentially as construction and process law.
 
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Ron... is there something about 13th you don't like?
 
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BSVBD said:
Ron... is there something about 13th you don't like?
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What don't you like the 14th?

What do the contract documents state? The revised section is 7.8.3 AISC 303-10 or 16. When erection is not performed by the fabricator, the fabricator shall furnish: bolts, nuts, washers, shims, backing and run-off
 
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TehMightyEngineer said:
9th edition is green. Everyone wants things designed to be greener these days, right? wink
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LOL, that is why I continue to use it.
 
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Is this an argument between an erector and a fabricator? Or between structural steel and other trades?

We consider the code of standard practice to be the "law" unless the structural drawings, specifications, or contract with the GC specifically state something otherwise. Every now and then something comes up where a random piece of angle or tube steel is shown on the architectural drawings and the GC suddenly thinks it's in our scope.
 
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