OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
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Hello
I have a flare line 20" diamteter SCH STD at 200ªF. The line must be in horizontal plane to connect to the nozzle (client requirement). When the flare equipment expansion occurs the pipe leaves the support in 0.1 mm, the loads in the nozzle don`t meet with th allowable loads by API 537 (these are too low. Forces about 4000 N and moments about 1300 N-m)
Is justified and practical to use a variable spring hanger for this low displacement?. When i put the spring hanger, the loads pass without any probem
Thanks for your opinions.
I have a flare line 20" diamteter SCH STD at 200ªF. The line must be in horizontal plane to connect to the nozzle (client requirement). When the flare equipment expansion occurs the pipe leaves the support in 0.1 mm, the loads in the nozzle don`t meet with th allowable loads by API 537 (these are too low. Forces about 4000 N and moments about 1300 N-m)
Is justified and practical to use a variable spring hanger for this low displacement?. When i put the spring hanger, the loads pass without any probem
Thanks for your opinions.
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
Put a sand bag on it.
Tell him the program output is theoretical and it really doesn't lift off the support.
You don't want to know the third.
Come on man. 0.1mm? This stuff is not fabricated under a microscope.
It is not justifiable, as
the piping fabrication and fit up is not done to anywhere near such a precise tolerance.
Neither is the structure holding up the spring can.
You cannot adjust the spring hanger to such a precise setting.
you will have much more soil settlement under the support's foundation.
Learn from the mistakes of others. You don't have time to make them all yourself.
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
you must get smarter than the software you're using.
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
Had a chuckle but yes that's spot on!!!!
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
you must get smarter than the software you're using.
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
you must get smarter than the software you're using.
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
Totally agree with you the Technical Reference material of some software is diabolical but as you say the Software publishers "hide" behind the disclaimers - even if there are "bugs" in the software they pull the "Users should ensure the results are valid" statement.
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
you must get smarter than the software you're using.
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
Regarding checking program "algorithms", other than a feel for how the system should be displacing, how would you go about rigorously verifying those algorithms for real world piping layouts beyond a simple L configuration? Especially with NL pipe supports. And even if you had each step of each algorithm, you'd need to account for a slew of other related assumptions and limitations of the program.
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
One fact that I have discovered is that some clients want to see that computer-generated (paraphrasing) "Code Compliance Check Passed" or "Nozzle Loads Acceptable" message in the output; otherwise, no amount of superseding statements or applications of judgement on the part of the engineer can convince them that things are OK. What has worked for me is to force the program into providing that desirable output message by stating some qualifying assumptions up front, where they are innocuous and can be wordsmithed to give the appearance of intelligent thought. In other words, as long as you kinow what you are doing, cheat.
RE: OPINION ABOUT USE OF SPRING HANGER IN FLARE NOZZLE
Using one eight of an inch as a max allowable liftoff is not uncomcmon. Keep in mind the tolerances we have on fabricated pipe; as BI rightfully pointes out, we dont make them using microscopes.