Bugatti 100P Rebuilt: The Plane That Could've Turned the Battle of Britain
Bugatti 100P Rebuilt: The Plane That Could've Turned the Battle of Britain
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This is an interesting pieces on Slashdot, although it and the links are wildly inaccurate about a lot of the stuff.
Bugatti 100P Rebuilt: The Plane That Could've Turned the Battle of Britain.
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Interesting. Of course, it couldn't possibly sound as good as anything with a Merlin engine.
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It appears the propellers and engines are independent, sharing nothing except the gearbox oil supply, which is clever, but also introduces a single point of failure.
I don't see how they'll get enough cooling air through the ele-rudder leading edges to cool even two bike engines, no matter where the radiators are. I'm assuming that's where cooling air goes in; I have no idea where it comes out.
It's kind of confusing; it's hard to tell from the pictures whether you're looking at the restored original, the reproduction, or a model, at least one of which clearly exists.
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Air superiority is not solely dictated by raw horsepower or airspeed. During Vietnam, US planes were faster than the clunky MiGs the VC had, but the US planes were getting slaughtered because their tactics did not match up with the VC's. Not until the US began to re-train pilots to dogfight did the US start to win its air battles.
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Claiming that the Vietnamese "slaughtered" American pilots is an exaggeration. At one point, the kill ratios were as low as 2:1, way down from the claimed 17:1 in Korea. 1950s jet fighters were built on the assumption that dogfights were a thing of the past, and then they got into dogfights. Note the lovely bubble canopies that came out on all their stuff in the 1970s.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_St...
http://www.sandiegomagazine.com/San-Diego-Magazine...
The US supposedly lost around 1000 aircraft prior to the creation of the United States Navy Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor program (Top Gun). Per the "Ault" Report: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a955142.pd... Training recommendation 12 on page 37, the Navy created the Top Gun program to train pilots in the lost art of dogfighting. Note that this section is only one of many sections on the overall state of Navy fighter plane design, maintenance, operation, testing, and training.
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As to the aircraft, was this the one that was planned to use a hybrid jet & IC or am I thinking of the Caproni Campini N.1? If not then why does the article talk even mention Jet Fighter? Alternatively were the props to get it up to a speed/altitude where it would switch to some kind of Ramjet?
As to the article well, where to start. How an aircraft whose prototype wasn't even flying by September 1939 was going to be in operational service in large enough numbers by Summer 1940 to make a difference, given Italy's limited industrial base etc. is but one issue.
Embedding the radiator or other air intakes into a flight surface was not unusual during WWII - Mosquito definitely did it as did the Vought Corsair - both in the wing roots though.
As to the pointlessness of rewriting the battle of Britain how about throwing in some http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_F.9/37 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_F.5/34? - or maybe just divert a chunk of the Fairey Battle production effort/manning to Spitfires & Hurricanes, and some Beaufort production effort to Beaufighters for the year or two prior to the battle?
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The Supermarine racing seaplanes used the wing surfaces as radiators. This was rejected by the RAF for fighter planes on the grounds that any hits on the wings would knock out the radiators.
There was a lot of clever radiator design during WWII. The P-51 Mustang's radiators were sort of a ramjet. The air was heated, then expanded through a nozzle in the rear. The net drag was around zero. Note how the Rolls Royce Merlin and the Allison V1710 were around 27 litres displacement. Successful WWII radials were large. The Pratt and Witney Double Wasp (R2800) was around 25 litres.
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The Pratt and Witney Double Wasp was around 45 litres.
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"I'm still thinking through how a zero drag cooling system might work. "
see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_Effect
The P51 and some Spitfire Marks actually could see a net thrust at some operating speeds/altitudes, not just a diminishment of drag.
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"As to the pointlessness of rewriting the battle of Britain how about throwing in some http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_F.9/37 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_F.5/34? - or maybe just divert a chunk of the Fairey Battle production effort/manning to Spitfires & Hurricanes, and some Beaufort production effort to Beaufighters for the year or two prior to the battle"
First rule of rewriting the Battle of Britain seems to be to give Germany every advantage possible (e.g. full on jet aircraft production in 1938), and the UK every disadvantage (Sir Frank Whittle - who he?).
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