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How often do your calculations get checked ?

How often do your calculations get checked ?

How often do your calculations get checked ?

Hi all.

In my 13 years as a structural engineer (8 in buildings & 5 in railcar structures), I can count on one hand the number of times my design calcs. have been checked by a second engineer.  I've always worked in small engineering firms that simply didn't have the time or budget for it.  

Usually, design drawings have been reviewed for blatant omissions etc, but nothing more.  

I'm curious how many of you other engineers out there are in the same boat.  Any thoughts?

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trainguy...I have worked in various size groups.  When I was on my own, no one (other than engineers reviewing the work for others) reviewed my calcs.  In medium to large firms, I have been involved in situations where ALL calcs and other documents are reviewed.  As a mentor/senior level reviewer, I certainly subscribe to this process.

It is a comfort to have another set of eyes on anything.

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Just like Ron, I've worked on jobs where my calculations were checked by senior engineers/peers and on other jobs where my calculations and drawings were not checked at all prior to IFC.  I too welcome a second set of eyes looking over my design.  No one's perfect all the time!


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I think we are discussing a vital topic.

The value of an unbiased check by a second person is often ignored due to the time and budget constraints. We have a quality system in our company which emphasises the second check. We should realise that in spite of one's experience and knowledge slippages do occur and these checks help to eliminate such errors before the deliverable leaves for the site. It is far better that the errors are identified and rectified inside the design group rather than being pointed out by the customer.

I strongly recommend that in the interest of the project a reasonable provision shall be included in the budget and schedule for this activity.

We try to minimise the time and effort required for this activity by using validated software (either in-house developed or marketed ones)for analysis, design and detailing so that the checking of a less volumenous input ensures the correctness of a larger output.

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When I first started in the field my calcs were checked often.  Not so much anymore, but with experience yu get a feel if something is amiss.
Also, SERMC puts out a Calculations Checklist which you can run through yourself, which is very helpful in catching errors.
THey have a Drawing Checklist, also.

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I work for a large company [ENR top 10] and I hate to say that over the past five years not much gets checked in my office despite the management's claim about quality being of the utmost importance. There's usually no budget for it because projects have to support a lot of dead weight.

No one wants to check calculations on their own; so it falls onto the project manager since his/her neck is on the line.

So what we usually end up with is a less than thorough review of plans and a crap shot on the calculations. Some members of management seem to believe it's more important to check drawings than calculations. I've always been under the impression that one needs calculations in order to advance to structural drawings.

Sorry to lament but that's the way it is here.

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I've experienced the whole gamut.  At a large company I was at checking was pretty thorough. I think this is appropriate because as someone said above we're only human.  I've also experienced a lot of very cursory or not at all checking.  Again, for the same reasons stated above. "Oh we're a small company, we can't afford to check everything."  Here's my problem, and I'm pointing the finger at myself as well. We're the engineers, so why are we letting other people decide what's an appropriate level of checking? I'd be interested in people's thoughts on this.

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It is paradoxical to feel 'we are small organisation and we can't afford checking time'.There is a wrong thought among people that the time spent on checking is not paying. If one thinks of the rework due to the errors detected later,this additional time and effort are not only unpaid but also bring down the level of confidence of the customer on the design team. It also demoralises the design group to some extent. Considering such an event, I would never mind a little extra time to make my document error free. A systematic checking effort earns you a satisfied customer and the improved morale within the team.

I would definitely vote for a chcking system in any engineering activity. One can think of reducing the checking time by innovative methods without defeating the purpose of the system.

RE: How often do your calculations get checked ?

I've worked in the nuclear power industry where every sheet of calculations were checked.  Since then I have worked in a field where calculations were not routinely checked.  However, the actual deliverables (drawings and specifications) are always checked.  I think it's more important to check what's being built from rather than the calculations.  You can catch problems beyond what is shown in the calculations (details, etc.).  If necessary, the reviewer can look at the calculations to see what is behind the design.

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I work in an office of seven design engineers which comprises 2 Chief Engineers, 2 Senior Engineers, 2 Designers and one Graduate.  Weare in he heavy civil's & tunnelling business and dsign both permanent and temporary works schemes.  NO CALCS OR DWGS are issued without a signed off check being carried out.  The procedure is to get one of the engineers who are not directly involved with your project to carry out the checks.  The key is to ensure that the checker is suitably experienced to carry out the check before passing it to him/her.

Andy Machon


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bridgebuster...your comments "hit home".  Some time ago I left a large international firm (ENR Top 30) for a smaller, regional firm.  At the large firm, the same was happening....lip service to quality.  Though there are many fine engineers at that company who will maintain their own personal commitment to quality, the same cannot be said of management's policies that compromise such quality.

At the smaller firm, we are striving to make sure that quality issues are not shorted.  As with larger firms, we have procedures in place to require sign-off of all calculations, reports, documents, designs, etc.  The difficulty in a smaller firm is the lack of sufficient number of senior level individuals to affect these processes.  Often a single senior individual is responsible for the technical review of several different locations, some of which can be hundreds of miles apart.  I suppose Fedex loves us!

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I have worked for several different divisions of a  government engineering agency as a structural engineer for the past 15 years. The design sections of these divisions have ranged from medium to large. I have had cursory checks performed on my calculations less than five times in my career. I had thought that this was primarily a problem within government agencies but from reading these posts it seems to be the standard practice, at least among the small to medium firms. Perhaps the managers who make the decision that calc checking is not cost effective should stamp the plans.

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Well, I didn't know whether or not to chime in based on all of the great responses so far but RSTucker's response has prompted me to...

I have worked for many years now at a large company (ENR Top 5) and can say that checking is paramount to what we do be it engineering or detailing.  While I'm glad for that I also realize that it is my responsibility to see that things do get checked.  And yes we must add this cost/time in our budgets/schedules.

I have also spent some time for smaller companies and have experience a general lack of concern for checking.  In those cases I have always developed another method of looking at the results to determine if they are indeed correct.  I have always placed a critical eye on the plans as they are the product by which design firms are evaluated by the contractor/manufacturer.

Lastly, I worked a number of years for a state agency doing structural analysis.  This is more to the point of what RSTucker note - not only was checking not a problem it was too much of a problem.  Believe it or not we did everything twice.  A project was given to two engineers and each went on their merry way to design and sat down at the end to compare answers and methods.  Wow!  talk about overkill.  But I can also say that not much went out the door that was in error or couldn't be defended.

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I appreciate your last statement. That is in fact the ultimate aim. As I have stated in my earlier post, I feel that the damage caused by unchecked, erroneous documents is not just the loss of manhours or money due to the rework. It is also the embarassment to the team and the consequent fall in the morale of its members. In some cases, such errors stay as history and are referred on occasions.Hence, the reviewer shall realise that he is the last check point beyond which the damage can not be prevented.

There is nothing like framing a checking system and religiously following it.

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I agree with you 100% Trilinga.  It is a difficult thing to overcome - errors.  The cost of errors (material and immaterial) far exceed the cost of sticking to a plan as you suggest.

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Q  Well said !!  The point you make about the cost of errors being far less than the additional costs of checking is borne out in the real world time and time again.  The increasing number of "Disaster" programmes which appear on our TV screens which list errors in design among the fundamental causes of failure are testament to this.  The construction press will also giive plenty of ammunition to support this case.

To further the point that checking is essential, we allow our graduate engineers to carry out mathematical checks of the calculations (to ensure the numbers add up correctly and the decimal points are in the correct place).  This has two benefits:

1) The designer is forced to lay out his /her calcs in a logical manner with good references in the margin so that the graduate can follow the calculation.

2)  The graduate can learn from the designer how the structure is actually designed in the real world and pick up design tips etc.

The final check for overall stability, robustness and fitness for purpose is carried out by a senior engineer.

Think of checking as graduate training on the cheap!!  It's good value for money all round !!!

Andy Machon


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I've worked at a large firm, ENR~50? and a small firm now (2 PEs and an EI) both in bridge design.  I'm happy to say that we had very strictly applied checking policies at both companies.  We often get into healty technical debates as a result, and everyone comes out ahead.

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"Checking" does not necessarily mean going thru the same route of solution, like math, assumptions and the like. Our policy (most risky level, in a 3 level graded risk) is to require a 2nd/3rd engineer QC the finish product by agreeing on the outcome in paper and during construction. Responsibility still lies onto the original designer.

RE: How often do your calculations get checked ?

Just to add one more to the pot.  If you think that adding in checking to your design costs will price you out of the market, tell your client that the cost of checking will give him added value then, show your client the following quote:-


It is unwise to pay too much, but it's unwise to pay too little.
When you pay too much you lose a little money; that is all.
When you pay too little you sometimes lose everything; because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing you bought it to do.
The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot.
It can't be done.
If you deal with the lowest bidder, it's well to add something for the risk you run.
And if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.

John Ruskin (1819-1900)

I think this says it all !!!

Andy Machon


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Right on the Money, Andy.

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Thanks for the interesting responses, everyone.  

Thanks also for giving me a perpetually nervous stomach...



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My two cents-

Checking of calcs has varied tremendously depending on where I worked.  My first job out of college was in the structural dept of a large paper company that did all its structural work in-house.  Many of the engineers at this company had been there a long time, and they were careful and detail oriented.  Plans did not go out until they had been carefully reviewed by the structural department head or a project manager.  Sometimes the calcs were reviewed also, sometimes not.

Subsequently I worked for several different size consultants, one an A/E, the other an E.  No one ever checked my work at these places, besides an occasional, cursory review at the end of the project just before the drawings went out.  The resulting comments usually had more to do with what types of practices and details the reviewer preferred, rather than corrections to gross mistakes or problems.

At the A/E, a mechanical engineer sometimes sealed the structural drawings.  So much for quality control (not to say the laws governing our profession!).   

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I've worked for the fifth largest engineering firm in the world, and for the smallest firm in the world (ie. my own) and my structural design calculations have been reviewed exactly 5 times so far (ie. 3 times in 1976 and twice in 1977). I've designed multi-million dollar wharves, bridges, dams and buildings. I have never yet been involved with a claim related to a design error or omission. I'd like to think I'm smart, but the truth is I'm lucky.

The only procedure I've found that is both cost efficient and effective at finding significant errors is to have one of my expert colleagues review the drawings and specs. Most bridges, wharves and building structures can be visually scanned in an afternoon. With a little experiece and lots of concentration, it's amasing how quickly blunders jump off the page. When I think of the major structural collapses in recent years, none of them should have escaped a visual ispection of drawings by an expert.

I liked Ginger's comments, but the following point may not be as absolute as presented. "The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot.
It can't be done.
"I think it can be done.

A few years back I was reviewing construction bids for a concrete caisson wharf extension. The low bid was less than half the next higher bid and almost 33% of the average of the other bids. One would think this was an error, but it turns out the bidder had a set of slip forms from a recent previous job and could produce the few required cribs at half the cost of other equally qualified constructors. The owner almost dismissed the low bid on the basis of "fundamental error", but ended up accepting and ultimately was happy with the outcome. Just goes to show anything is possible.


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Forgive me, but I need to add another two-cents worth about the value of checking calculations:

Last winter I was asked to seal a set of "revised" bridge plans. First, I need to explain my use of "revised". I was the project engineer for the original design that was completed about one year earlier. After that, I was on a field assignment during which time there were substantial changes in the highway alignment requiring redesign of the bridges; they became longer. [The redesign was left pretty much to a group of junior engineers; then again whatever guidance they received from senior engineers was worthless]. When the time came to submit the drawings, lo and behold, I was directed by the management to seal the plans [I was one of only two people licensed in that state.] I refused to do so because the work was not done under my supervision.

After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, the project manager finally agreed to speak with the state board about my concerns. The Board's descision was that I could seal the plans provided that I personally check the calculations and plans. With that resolved I agreed to seal the plans. Initially the PM refused to give me the calculations because "it's to much work to send you a copy". His position as well as that of our branch manager was that if the plans are checked that's good enough. Obviously, they didn't understand that if the calculations are wrong, the drawings are wrong.

Well, back to square one. Finally, they agred to give me the calculatons. In the meantime, they asked me to look at the drawings, which were an abomination! Things just didn't look right.

When I got to the calculations, my fears were realized: Not one page was ever checked. Everything was wrong; among other things:The abutments were underdesigned. The bearing design was wrong. The reactions shown on the plans did not match the ones from the computer output. Actually, there was no design for the bearings someone just put the old calculations in the book. The girder splice design was wrong. [Someone needlessly added wind bracing on the plans and decided to shift the splice location 10' but never redesigned the splice. The wind bracing was unnecessary and the way it was detailed, it wouldn't do any good anyway. This should be no surprise - there weren't any calculations for the bracing.] The girders were significantly overdesigned.

Bottom line: The office had to eat the cost of four people to start from scratch; it took about five months. Luckily, there was a partial delay by the client due to funding issues and management was able to stall for more time. Meanwhile, we looked pretty foolish issue substitution sheets during the bidding process.

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Bridgebuster I offer my apologies that our profession, which we (perhaps naively) beleive to stand on high moral and ethical ground could have ever allowed such a travesty.

However, I am glad to know how you handled the situation and beleive that you acted in everyway as I would had I been in such a position.  You are a good engineer and if they would have postured by hanging your paycheck over your head, you could have easily found employment elsewhere.  Best of all, you showed the junior engineers that work itself is not good work or work worthy of being sealed and that drawings by virtue of having ink on the sheets are not worthy of construction.  You showed them that arrogance (consultant is right, client is wrong - what does the client know anyway) has no place in our profession and that when principles are on the line those engineers have a place to turn to as well.


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Thanks Qshake

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Many excellent comments. Mine may be of interest. I graduated from Univ of Colorado in 1938. No graduate got a job. Desolation!! Finally I received an offer from the American Bridge Company in Trenton, NJ. As a detailer absolutely eveything was thoroughly checked and counter checked. They could not afford to have holes mismatched.
Since I was born with one eye the armed forces would have nothing to do with me, so I found a job in structural analysis in the aircraft industry. I worked throught the war on at least some part of practically everything that flew,  since we subcontrcted large sections. Everything was checked.
After that I worked with a small structural consultant, designing relatively large projects. Nothing was checked.

I later opened my own office. Then I went with a large international A/E.Then I went to another large A/E. Then I quit the race and opened my own office again.

So what has been my experience? Generally speaking, it depends. If the product produces  an extremely refined product such as going to the moon, everything is checked again and again. If it is the joists under a frame office building then if the doer is at all experrienced, it is not checked. And if the design is based on data that is not precise, like an office live load, I do not feel worried  about  that so much as if it  is based on the gravitational pull of Mars as it goes by.

So an engineer's judgement which is supposed to be professional, is very important.

Evank, Structural Engineer

RE: How often do your calculations get checked ?

Salutations to one of the very senior members of the forum from a relatively younger generation.

As you have rightly stated at the end, an engineer's professional judgement is equivalent to a number of repeated checkings. But I prsonally feel that this professional judgement is the result of carrying out a number of such checking and counterchecking through one's career. I am sure you will agree with me that going through this experience during your early years of your career has given you that professional confidence.

Right or wrong, the present day younger generation is not having such an opportunity. The exposure to a variety of 'black box' type computer software has made many of them less alert in terms of checking. There seems to be a tendency of 'taking for granted' the results from a software. the attainment of Professional judging capability is retarded by the lack of manual working and understanding the basis of analysis and design. Many of them are very good at operating the software but they know neither to justify their results nor to doubt them. If they get an undesirable result, they do not know which parameter to change to correct it. In short, the 'Physical feel' of the calculations is missing.

There may be a few exceptions to the above but I feel the majority fit into this pattern.

I would suggest that it is best to have a person of your caliber and experience at the exit point to see everything is OK but still have the systematic checking procedure which not only ensures the quality but also make the people down the ladder to become like you in the coming years.

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Evank, I second your thoughts/experiences and would like to add that (and maybe I'm speaking out of turn here) nearly every shop fabricator that I have worked with (mainly medium to large companies) have outstanding records with respect to shop drawings.  It has been my experience (unfortunately) that when the shop calls it usually amounts to an oversight on the engineers part.  While I'm not proud of that I wanted to point out the meticulous job done by the fabricator, who as you've stated can ill afford to have holes misaligned.  However, mistakes do happen and usually when a field engineer calls a mistake has been made in fabrication.  Now this doesn't happen often but in the case of working with existing facilities it does happen and usually because the contractor didn't take the appropriate field dimensions.

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I think trilinga has made a major point regarding the use of computer software by younger engineers. Many now use programmes for working out very basic stuff that us older guys just turn out using "hand calculations"
In many companies senior engineers have also been guilty of dumping the number crunching aspect onto graduates who are more adept at everyday computer skills but have little feel for the overall design of the whole or the elements. It's easy to hit a default button and end up with an E value for steel when it should have been for aluminium. There is also still the problem that commercial organisations produce charts listing stresses, deflections etc with no supporting background as to the derivation of these, all of course produced by some magic software that is beyond reproach.Ever tried phoning some of these companies and asking just how these results were produced?
Fair do's, computer software has revolutionised everything but as far as checking what is produced, we still need to keep the maxim "rubbish in, rubbish out" uppermost in our minds when overviewing a design.
All design needs to be checked; no matter how long one has been doing the job a fresh look can often see the wood from the trees - something that is overlooked if working in isolation.

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Wow, Evank! You didn't happen to run into L. Sprague De Camp (RIP) - a young, unemployed engineer at the time - in your travels circa 1938?

To the subject, My cacluations usually are a mix of hand calcs, printouts from computer programs (with a lot of hand notations on them; I usually hand-compute the first iteration of a design calc, then verify it on the computer, then crank out however many variations with the computer as I judge necessary) and photocopies of whatever pages from whatever documents (e.g., company literature or textbook tables, etc.). All the pages are numbered and I include a table of contents at the beginning, so it's easy to follow... Where I work "checking" isn't what's done, an "Independent Technical Review" is conducted once I'm finished and that's there where actual checking is done. Do I like that? Eh, maybe, maybe not. But to answer the thread, my calcs are checked 100% of the time.

A design calc package I hand in for review starts off with a one-page narrative/memo then a series of "draft final" sketches - usually CAD work (I do it, we have no draftspersons) that doesn't include borders, logos, etc. I assume that the person doing the review will immediately spot errors and/or omisions just by looking at the sketches (hopefully I haven't made any) - we usually have extremely senior design engineers doing the reviews, an awesome benefit.

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From EvanK
We have had some extremely wise comments. They all have merit and none give a black or  white answer!!
The comment about the blind use of the computer is one we should keep in mind. There was a failure of a gymnasium roof in Connecticut about 30 years ago. It was a dommed long span that had been designed by the then new computer thing. It failed early in the morning after a snow storm. It was discovered that the conmputer had faithfully designed it just fine, but had not included the effect of one sided snow load. And the snow had accumulated behind a parapet and not the other.
But I admit I am looking at this from a different perspective than others. I still depend on the judgement of designers if they have had sufficient experience to merit trust. So I guess it is TRUST that I look for, and not the nuts and bolts of checking arithmatic or the printouts from a computer, wonderful as they are.
Thanks for your comments. It has been very informative.

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No, I do not recall Sprague... in those years. Most of us were unemployed, and I worked for a month or so at the Federal Land Bank in Wichita. An exciting job of drafting onto maps the locations of  Land Grants. I could not stand that pressure so went to American Bridge in Trenton. No better place, but WW II changed all that.
Structural Engineer

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OK...this is a long thread, but I'll make it longer!

Individual competence and diligence are necessities in engineering.  As some have said thus far, our younger engineers don't always have the opportunity to learn the importance of these necessities.  In the interest of expedience, we often allow younger engineers to "sink or swim".  This is not an appropriate posture.  Engineering is not a "Risk Management" proposition.  It is a scientific methodology.  The "Risk Management" approach causes the problem bridgebuster described (which he handled nicely and correctly in my opinion).  We have to continue to apply a scientific methodology even in the face of inaccuracies (structural loads, assumptions, etc.) and absurdities (management philosophy), simply because we compound our errors when we don't.

I'm a great proponent of progress and computerization, but I still check my calculations (after a cooling period!) and those of the engineers I mentor.  I also welcome the check by others...even though I have a lot of experience, I'm not infallible.  Those of us who remember slide rules also remember the need for "order of magnitude" checking.  This mental process is necessary and good.  I try to instill it in those I mentor, even though we obviously don't use the slide rule.  I do this through sometimes subtle (sometimes not so subtle) questioning of their approach and how they came to realize their analysis or design.  I have soiled the back of many a napkin in this process!

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Hmmmm....   Sign off on an unchecked design???   Make a semi-major mistake and you probably won't like the time you spend in front of a judge very much.

You design it and sign off on the plans and someone dies.   There's no question about it...  it's your fault ( 100% ).    Not checking can easily be considered as negligent or incompetent.

I work for a large government agency doing bridge designs.  We also review bridge design plans developed by private firms.   It is very obvious to us here that a LOT of private firms don't do very good checking on their designs even though their contract states that they are supposed to do all designing and checking ( they are paid quite well for their services...  I see no excuse for them shortchanging the process ).   The number of blatant erros we find in their plans is awful.


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I used to work for a large government agency doing the same thing many, many years ago.  I've worked in consulting for a longer time now as well.  But one thing that gripes me is exactly what you stated in you last post.  Errors are far too common and the industry seems to be very complacent about it.  Others, including the company I work for have developed Quality procedures that are meant to curb this but in my opinion they are sometimes too cumbersome and extravagant to do any good.  I have always relied on the two sets of eyes check on everything before it goes out - and that includes preliminary drawings.

Another things that gripes me is the way some companies don't produce plans like those provided by the government agency - doing so has many benefits not the least is easier review and coordination with other plan sets and contractor familiarity.  Inevitably, I see someone who wants to re-invent the wheel just to be different, just to stand out.  It drives me crazy!

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I currently work for a major EPC consultant in the oil & gas industry. We are ISO 9001 registered, and have committed to checking all calcs. This is actually too much. Some stuff needs checking, maybe even more than once, other items could probably go with no checks.

In my earlier commercial consulting days little was formally checked, but I used to do my own reality checks. Manual load take downs were checked (reactions totalled, applied loads totalled - were they reasonably matched?). Larger more critical members, I would recheck, with a different method if I could.

As someone earlier mentioned even senior engineers can make silly little mistakes, and as one of my profs used to say (his Law 199) no one mistake usually causes a collapse, it takes an accumulation of mistakes. An early boss tought me a simple rule - does it look right? Many mistakes can be spotted by looking at something with a detached eye, and the absurdity can jump right out at you. Experienced designers (technicians) and draughtsmen can often spot these goofs.

In the calc checking that we currently have to do we have two options. Literal detail calculation checks, or alternate approach. I generally hate the detail calc check, particularly with some individuals whose calcs while maybe correct are extremely difficult to follow, so I tend to favour trying to come at a problem from a different angle and see if I arrive at a similar solution whenever I can.

On one project with an intermediate engineer whose calculations were always difficult to follow, I was getting quite frustrated trying to follow/check his numbers, so I decided to sit back and look at the problem a little differently, and the flaw that I finally found in his calculations was not in the number crunching itself, but in an assumption of flange continuity that I was not convinced was realistic (vessel lifting beams were cantilevered off eiher side of a deeper saddle extension, so that the top, compression flange was discontinuous, with only a partially stiffened web plate connecting them). In lieu of doing a detailed finite element analysis to make sure that we would not get local plate buckling somewhere in the beam/saddle combination causing us to drop the 150 ton vessel/platform assembly during the critical installation lift, I decided to add some temporary lift bracing between the upper and lower top flanges to transmit these forces via truss action. Although the other end was more lightly loaded and did not present a "failure" problem in the number crunching, higher than anticipated deflection during a lift to weigh the module caused us to decide to add the flange braces at that end too. This was partially exacerbated by the fact that the vendor had given us a bad c-of-g and so we actually had more load on the other support than we had expected. But basically the check here had been sit back and look at the overall concept, not get tangled up in all the detailed numbers.

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Error is human.Checking of calculation  is necessary if there is need to submit the calculations along with drawings.Now a days due to competition everybody has to quote less in order to remain in bussiness .Hence provision for  double check is usally avioded.  Whole world is behind quality but nobody is following it to its core.With experience seeing the drawing itself one can judge the adequacy of the strutural members.According to me checking   of calculation is essential only if it needs the reveiw of the client/other agency.But the drawings are to be checked perfectly.

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