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Concrete Reinforcing 12'x12'x12' foundation

Concrete Reinforcing 12'x12'x12' foundation

Concrete Reinforcing 12'x12'x12' foundation

I need a little direction...  I am building a grain tower and all i really need to know is what to reinforce the concrete slab under it with...  it is a 10'x10'x130'high tower..  85 m.p.h. wind .... 119 kips compression .... 108 kips tension ... 16 kips sheer pressure ....  it sits on 4 base plates that are 12"x12"..  i think the foundation is a 12'x12'x12' concrete slab... can anyone take an educated guess so i can save a few bucks when i go to an engineer to help me?

RE: Concrete Reinforcing 12'x12'x12' foundation

You may have a micropile engineered solution that is cheaper (the equipment is far cheaper to bring to site than for piles).  In any case you may consider most of the footing counterweight, ans so reinforcement be not as critical. Even 12 feet deep sounds not to me enough for so tall tower.

RE: Concrete Reinforcing 12'x12'x12' foundation

The foundation itself sounds like a good chunk of concrete so it wouldn't need much more than nominal reinforcement to distribute loads but what you need to look at is soil bearing and overturning which depends totally on the soil conditions.

Carl Bauer

RE: Concrete Reinforcing 12'x12'x12' foundation

does this cost alot to have a soil bearing test done?  i dug 3 ft. down and hit some clay.  what do you mean by nominal reinforcing?   Like #5 rebar @ 4' o.c. ea. way..  or what would i use?  

RE: Concrete Reinforcing 12'x12'x12' foundation

hi, tom24.

You use a worrying phrase "I think the foundation is a 12*12*12 slab".  Do you perhaps mean that you really don't know what size it should be, but that someone may have suggested such a size to you, or that you know of a similar tower that has such a foundation block?

For what it's worth, I don't think that 12*12*12 is anywhere near enough unless the soil on the sides is strong enough to prevent overturning of your foundation block, together with the grain tower, and that ground water is never closer to the surface than about 15 feet (= 12 feet plus an Austim safety factor ).

You refer to an 108 kip uplift force, which I have taken to mean that someone has determined that to be the maximum uplift at each of two corners at the bottom of the windward face of your tower.  Such a force seems reasonably consistent with your stated wind velocity of 85 mph applied to an empty grain tower, so I have no problem with that.

However...  your 12*12*12 ft block of concrete only weighs about 260 kips (assuming that ground water is always more than 12 ft below the top of your foundation).

If you apply a static load of 2*108 = 216 kips upwards close to the edge of such a block, you will lift up that edge, and you have a global stability problem. If ground water can rise above the bottom of your foundation, then your foundation block will lose about 40% of its effective mass, and your stability problem would be very much worse.

To calculate your factor of safety against overturning, I would proceed thus:

(a) Assume a reasonable bearing area required to take the full weight when it is concentated at the leeward edge of the base.  - as a guess, say that you resultant upward reaction is about 1 foot inside the edge.

(b) Your overturning moment is then 216 * 10 = 2160 kip ft.
(c) your stabilising moment is 260 * 5 = 1300 kip ft (even less if ground water may come into play), which is only 60% of the overturning moment, and you are well on the way to having a seriously leaning tower.

(d) for an adequate factor of safety against overturning, you should have a stabilising moment at leat 20% more than the overturning moment (unless your local code of practice requires more than that, of course)

There are a couple of factors that could help to avoid total collapse (though I would ignore them both were I the designer of your foundation).

Firstly, before your block would overturn completely, horizontal earth pressures would develop. These would provide some degree of stabilising moment.  Unless you have some very sound geotechnical advice, it would be very risky to rely on that.

Also, our simple use of quasi-static wind loads is a very primitive approximation for what really happens in the very dynamic situation of wind loads.  So perhaps the wind load will not act long enough to overturn tower plus foundation block.  I would not take the risk.

As for reinforcement - you must have at least enough to hold the block together when you are pulling upwards with a force of 216 kips on any one edge.

I hope that this will help you.

RE: Concrete Reinforcing 12'x12'x12' foundation

#6 top and sides @12" o.c. top and sides.  horzontal..  plus #6 hairpins (developement lenght) for the anchor bolts at the top and bottem of them.   Does that sound about right?  

RE: Concrete Reinforcing 12'x12'x12' foundation

I advice you to consult an engineer. The problem is not so simple.

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