Low Temperature Operation
Low Temperature Operation
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We have an opportunity for one of our products which requires operation at -30C. Two parts, the cpu and a dsp are only available with 0C as the low temp. I have tested two units to -45C. If I were to select units that operate at -45C, would they still operate at -30C a year or two from now? How do I determine the impact on reliability? What is the physical difference between comercial and industrial temp. parts? What other questions should I ask?
Thanks,
Zen
Thanks,
Zen
RE: Low Temperature Operation
So long as you do not voltage overstress the parts, they should be OK. There are some potential hot-electron effects that could degrade performance over time, particularly if the parts are used at the cold extreme continually, although, unless you heatsink the parts to the ambient, once powered up, they're probably running 10º to 15º degrees warmer anyway.
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RE: Low Temperature Operation
I would probably restrict the CPU or any other part to clock speeds that aren't near limits.
Generally low temperatures won't shorten part life but will extend it. So if the part works today it will work in two years. The problem is in speed reduction. Also a part taken below its rating can have structural problems due to expansion/ contraction aspects.
I would talk to the manufacturer, they can suggest specific concerns or lack there of.
Keith Cress
Flamin Systems, Inc.- http://www.flaminsystems.com
RE: Low Temperature Operation
Designing crystal oscillators to start and run over extremely wide temperature ranges is far from trivial. Best buy a module rather than use the processors own internal feedback loop with an unknown low cost crystal.
That is probably the only analog part of the whole system, and unless it has an internal analog to digital converter or some other analog circuitry, the digital part of the processor should work fine.
RE: Low Temperature Operation
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You don't say what the processor is, but we have found that even some "military" grade processors, which are qualified to run at -55C, either won't start or crash at -10C unless the clock waveform is as near-perfect to that stated in the processor data sheet. This is particulary true of meeting the processor's clock minimum width requirement: many packaged oscillator output waveforms don't have 50:50 mark-space duty cycle, and can also have slow rise/fall times which effectively shorten the clock minimum width even more.
RE: Low Temperature Operation
However, quartz oscillators probably go the other way, so it may be possible that the slowness of the edges of the clock causes race and metastability problems in the processor at cold.
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RE: Low Temperature Operation
As IRStuff point out, With semiconductor parts where there is a commercial version and an industrial version with different temperature specs, frequently the die is the same and the difference is that one was tested for the lower temperature, and the other was not.
However, you indicate the issue is a CPU and a DSP. Are either in a BGA-type package? Some manufacturers limit their BGA-type packages at the lower temperature - there is a concern with the different expansion rates of the package and the PCB. This could lead to failures after a number of temperature cycles. I don't have data at hand, but I believe there is additional concern if the solder is lead-free.
RE: Low Temperature Operation
Our processor was supposed to operate at -55ºC and was tested on our own tester. It was more than a year into production that we found out that we missed a worst case carry-ripple that only operated to -35ºC.
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Some very fortunate connections gave us acces to a massive defense department environmental chamber that allowed testing down to -80C, and a whole lot of unexpected new problems became evident. The clock oscillator was the biggie, but also some of the larger bypass capacitors lost so much capacitance that the power supply regulator could sometimes burst into oscillation.
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Keith Cress
Flamin Systems, Inc.- http://www.flaminsystems.com
RE: Low Temperature Operation
The instant frost, condensation and resulting mini flood when it was finally removed from the chamber was fairly spectacular though.
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