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The Bermuda Triangle
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The Bermuda Triangle

The Bermuda Triangle

(OP)

I recently saw a documentary on the Bermuda Triangle and have been quite fascinated since.

I would like your views/explanations on this phenomenon. I am sure there are thousands of  theories already, but I am interested in knowing individual opinions.

Thanks.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

My theory is very deep ocean makes finding anything that sinks in it very hard to find today.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

(OP)
Prost,

But about aircrafts?

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

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The BT is a fake issue used to sell books imho.  There was even a book written about it that debunked all the mysterious theories revolving around the aircraft disappearances.  The final quote was something like, "Once you look at the statistics the mystery simply goes away."
Don't get caught up in a fable.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Aircrafts fall out of the sky. Ships sink.

The ocean is vast, and deep. There are also currents underneath.

Finding something, even know the entry point, several weeks later, is tough. Several years, decades later, is really remote.

Here is another thought. When was the last reported Bermuda Triangle plane/ship/whatever disappearance that you heard of? Anything, say, in the last 10 years? Hmmm. I haven't either.

"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."   
Albert Einstein
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RE: The Bermuda Triangle

(OP)
Looks like the common understanding is that the Bermuda Triangle is a fake.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

No, the triangle is real. You can find it on a map, go take a tour, etc.

The events are also real. A LOT of boats have gone down in that area, plus a few other things. The disasters are very real.

The causes/reasons that people hold for how the wrecks came about is what is in doubt.

"Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater."   
Albert Einstein
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RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Sure, the BT may be 'real', but just because we can't explain something doesn't mean that there is something nefarious or some superEarth being involved. My point about the very deep ocean is that many stories have involved unexplained disappearances, as if it implied that we will never find the missing ship/aircraft because it is gone forever, while the only reason we can't find the thing that disappeared because the missing object is at the bottom of a very deep ocean, not easy to access. Because we cannot find whatever it is that disappeared, we can't investigate what went wrong.

Ashereng has a good point about currents. Recently there was a piece of an F-14 that broke off when the jet went down east of Florida coastline. Years later the piece of tail washed up on the Irish coast!

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

My monitor started to act funny the instant I visited http://www.bermuda-triangle.org, so there may be something to it.

Of course, I later found that the power cord was loose; nonetheless, the monitor problem only manifested itself when I went to that website.

TTFN



RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Get a new monitor and power bar. Then try the site again.

That will be  a scientific test. winky smile

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Albert Einstein
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RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Why should I be any different than the site's creator? winky smile

Actually, the site claims that there have been a similarly higher proportion of missing aircraft, vessels, etc., in the last 30 yrs as well.  I suppose that it's possible that people simply got bored with the "mystery" since there's essentially been no progress in solving it in last 30 yrs, so no one is making any big noises about that.

TTFN



RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Well, once you realize it's alien sasquatches from Atlantis using psychic powers to channel the power of the pyramids through UFO's, there's really no mystery left; that's why you don't hear much about it anymore.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

There was a show on television attempting to blame the sinkings on huge methane gas bubbles. They sank some fair sized models in a test tank by releasing large volumes of gas under them and were able to stall an old aircraft engine by releasing methane gas so that it was sucked into the air intake.
They made it look possible, but I think that a lot of the accidents were just that; accidents caused by a variety of reasons.
respectfully

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

JStephen,

Ain't it a bit longer for the much developed aliens when the dumb terristials are using SONARs (with shorter route)?

Anyway, it makes sensewink

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Self-fulfilling prophecy...
because of all the hype anyone going there is unusually or even subconciously unsettled and this causes them to make mistakes... crash and burn.

We need to determine the proportion of missing vessels and aircraft where the crew were aware of the BT mystery compared to those who were unaware... of course, we have to find them first but how about we test everyone going into the are before hand and see how many come out again?

OK, so how do we do this without alerting them to the mystery in the first place?
That's Ok though, if we make sure everyone knows in advance then we should have an icnrease in the disaster rate.
Will that do it?

JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

The reason why nothing has been reported lately from the Bermuda Triangle is because reporters have gone there to investigate and then have also disappeared. Spooky

Those reporters that went missing have been replaced by alien brain sucking reptoids. The evidence can be seen by watching Fox news in the USA.

You all confuse my by referring to BT. BT is British Telecom, which is also a mysterious company in England. Please take a few microseconds longer from your life and don't use acronymns if you can help it.

corus

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

And the evidence that they suck brains are found in the other networks...ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, BBC, etc.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

And let's not forget that BT backwards is the start of TBS.

TTFN



RE: The Bermuda Triangle

(OP)
The kind of experiment that jmw suggested would go a long way in clearing up the myth associated with the Triangle. But I wonder how many people would volunteer for it in the 1st place.

Does anyone believe that these disappearences could have anything to do with the Philadelphia experiments conducted by the American navy?

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Yes, that's how the alien sasquatches got from Atlantis to the modern age.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

I do not believe witches but they exist.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

ELVIS NEEDS BOATS.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Here, here, Corus!!

signed,
fellow acronym hater.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

TheRaptor,

   Read The Bermuda Triangle Mystery - Solved, by Lawrence Kusche.  Kusche investigated the various mysteries and in most cases, found perfectly conventional causes for the disappearances.  People describing the triangle as mysterious tend to miss minor, insignificant details like hurricanes.  Some of the disappearances are poorly documented and may not have happened.  

   Let's look at this another way.  I do not personally know anyone else on this message base.  I am convinced, you all are from Saturn's moon, Titan, with the exception of DaveVikingPE, who appears to be a Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper fan.  I do not believe that space aliens appreciate rock and roll.

   Can you prove me wrong?

                        JHG

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Well, we can prove you wrong, drawoh, but then you'd be onto us.  We'd have to abandon this whole elaborate hoax, and start over...

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drawoh - space aliens not appreciating rock?  Then how do you explain the kidnappings by adoring aliens of Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi, and John Lennon?  And the last Black Sabbath concert I went to had a huge number of aliens there.  

alien alien alien alien alien
    alien alien alien alien alien
rockband

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

I'm listening to Black Sabbath right now.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

I just stabbed myself with my .7 mm Sanford Pro-Touch 2.0 pencil. Good thing I'm using HB lead. Ouch!

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

TheRaptor- Through the years, I've read a good bit on the Bermuda Triangle mystery and a number of other similar situations.

The fundamental problem is that people interested in promoting a mystery make one where there's really not one.

This happens in various ways:
-Taking things that are coincidental and making them seem connected.  For example, the Edmund Fitzgerald sank- but you don't hear of the "Great Lakes Triangle".  Ships have sunk in every ocean, but when you mark off a part of it and hunt up every ship that ever sank there, you get a misleading picture of events.
-Stretching the truth.  By selectively omitting or adding details, the truth is made much stranger- one thing involved in the Avenger aircraft story.  Some of the happenings that have been reported in the Bermuda triangle actually happened far from there.
-Flat out lies- I've read of one case of the "ghost ship" that was found unmanned, prize crew put aboard, then the prize crew disappeared.  Great yarn.  However, several different Bermuda Triangle authors over the years reported this story, each citing the earlier writers as a reference, but in each case additional information got added to the story- it was simply made up.  And newspapers of the day don't seem to have reported the story at all- it seems the whole story was simply fiction. (There really was a deserted ship found similar to the story, but it was in the Pacific!)

The popular press and television seldom make any real effort to determine the truth of some of the "weird" events that get reported.  So the same sorts of things go on with Bigfoot, with UFO's, with the Abominable Snowman, with Atlantis, the Moon landings, Elvis, you name it.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Is it my imagination, or have the participants in this discussion all been listening to Coast to Coast.
B.E.

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bah, who needs Art Bell when you have Eng-Tips?  Actually, I'm glad Art is back.  I want to hear that alien-waking-up-in-the-freezer recording again!  I MISS being scared our of my wits.

"If you are going to walk on thin ice, you might as well dance!"

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

OK, the Tourism Industry will not like this, but here's the basic facts on the Bermuda Triangle.

The main cause of disappearances was due to a local magnetic anomaly, coupled with nasty reefs around the islands (yes, they're a chain of islands) and sudden storms.  The British Admiralty charted the magnetic anomaly at Bermuda in the late 1800's, and it's shown on current charts (maps for mariners).  The magentic bearing of North swings from 7 degrees west of North at the western edge to 14 degrees east at the eastern end.  Each degree translates to 69 statute miles on the earth's surface.  Thus, if you're looking for a small pace to begin with, and your compass isn't working, it's easy to get lost.  It's a big ocean out there.

As for the storms, well they're just heat engines.  With very warm water year-round, there's a lot of energy to build up.  Also, with 700 miles of free space around the islands, there's plenty of fetch for the wind and waves to build up.  Storms are particularly nasty in the winter, because of the heat differential.

With the reefs, there's over 400 documented wrecks within a mile or two of the shore.  In the 400 plus years of transatlantic travel in this area, there's probably many more yet to be discovered.  Also, with the sea floor dropping to over 12000 ft a few miles out, there's many lost vessels and planes that will never be found.

Just thought a Bermudian engineer should set the record straight.  The other stuff is fun to read, though.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

pdcaton - that's about the best explanation I've heard yet.

It also smashes my long held view that the BT was the little triangle that formed in the crotch when my Uncle Jed sat down in his Bermuda shorts.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

Well, JAE, your version of the triangle sounds even more dangerous!

But seriously, as applied scientists, we should just concern ourselves with facts.  I don't believe that there's any higher statistical chance of disappearing in our area than say the Grand Banks off of Newfoundland, the North Sea, or the Carolinas Banks.  All areas that have sudden storms and sharp rocks, and abrupt depth changes.

The origin of the triangle myth is lost to history.  Old sailors were very superstitious.  Bermuda was at one time referred to as the Isle of Devils, because all of the sea birds made very strange noises.  Kind of like mermaids coming from manatees.  Ive sailed for years, seen very strange things happen on the ocean, but they all had a logical explanation as to why or how.

RE: The Bermuda Triangle

The Caribbean and mid/south Atlantic spouted over 30 named storms last year.  That's not counting the unnamed ones that came and went before anyone really noticed or cared.  There were no other regions of the world that claimed a similar propensity for generating storms.

Hurricanes are similar to tornados on dry land.  There's a region in the US called "Tornado Alley" for a good reason.  If you live in the region, the likelihood of getting clobbered by a tornado is substantially higher.  Likewise, sailing in the eastern Caribbean/BT exposes you to a higher risk of encountering a sudden storm, particularly between June and November.

TTFN



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