RFreund said:
Have you ever had to determine this? What would be some criteria to use?
Oh, yes, many times. We would have left over piling cut offs of HP 12 X 53 and HP 10 X 42. Would butt weld these cutoffs into usable lengths. This was in the 1970's, so I made all calcs using "old" ASD, of course. Only rarely used the HP 10 X 42 because of their lighter capacity. An A36, HP 12 X 53 is an noncompact shape with allowable bending of 22 KSI for a new member. I had access to a Contractor's previous falsework and cofferdam plans. From these determined that downrating the maximum allowable bending stress for a typical used member from 22 KSI to 19.6 KSI, never caused a problem.
Naturally, that raises the question of what is a "typical used member". Surprisingly, it can "look" pretty bad, with "dings" in the flanges (that are more or less straightened with a sledge hammer), fair sized handling holes in the web, small holes in the flanges, fair amount of rusting, and the butt welded joints - sometimes 3 or 4 in a nominal 30' long beam. The beam does have to be reasonably straight. Never set an objective criteria, but if you could not see the "bend" unless you looked along the length of the beam that was straight enough. Even then, the visible "bend" had to be small. The assumed 19.6 KSI was maximum, normally I would work about 15 or 16 KSI - reducing deflection was always a concern.
I always enjoyed doing the calculations for use of these members "backwards". The question was NOT "What size members do I need?". It was "How do I make the members that I have work?"
We did this type of thing so often I drew up my own "Maximum Allowable Load Graph" for both HP 12 & HP 10. Have attached a (1978) copy for the HP 12 X 53. When you look at it, you'll see that I ran the lengths out unusually long. We did have some times to use very lengthy beams. The longest was a 65 feet, laterally unsupported HP 10 X 42. Taking a walk on that one was a real trip! Like being on a trampoline - but bouncing vertically and horizontally with each step.
Hope this gives you some insight into a (former) Contractor's wacky world of engineering.
![[r2d2] [r2d2] [r2d2]](/data/assets/smilies/r2d2.gif)