Two SE versions (SEwST and v20) on same computer? 2

[pkelecy]

Is it possible to have both SEwST and v20 installed on the same computer? If so, any special procedures I need to follow?

I currently have SEwST installed (floating license) but would like to try SEv20. I'd rather not uninstall SEwST to do that though.

Thanks for any help with this.

Pat

 

[donyoung]

Pat,

it's possible. Check out the SE Readme.html, topic: 'Silent Install'
To switch between both versions use the appropriate MakeVerCurr.exe.
Take caution: SE is NOT downward compatible, once a file
is opened and saved with V100 can't be opened with V20
any longer.

dy

 

[pkelecy]

Thanks dy. I think I remember seeing that (Silent Install) when sorting out some issues with the floating license. I'll go back and take a look.

Pat

 

[beachcomber]

You will find a different interface between V20 and V21/ST.
After V20 they went to the new MS Office type interface.

bc.
2.4GHz Core2 Quad, 4GB RAM,
Quadro FX4600.

 

[pkelecy]

"You will find a different interface between V20 and V21/ST..."

Yeah, I know. That's why I want to try it. I've been told the old interface is better than the new (more efficient according to some).

I'm finding I prefer the tradition environment to ST. Unfortunately, most of the training materials available for SEwST are for the ST environment (not traditional). The self-paced training on the GTAC website is entirely ST. It's pretty clear this is what Siemens is pushing. So if I go v20, I'll also have access to more training materials (both online as well as third party books).

Pat

 

[swertel]

If you want to go back to SEv20 just for the interface, I wouldn't. The ST part is going to mature rapidly, and rumor has it the interface is going to get a good look at as well. Either way, it WON'T go back to the old way, but hopefully will improve over the current v100 interface.

By the way, about your dual install question.

http://wiki.jasonnewell.net/AllPages.aspx?Cat=Installation

--Scott

http://wertel.eng.pro

 

[beachcomber]

Just in case you haven't seen it, this is the old interface - up to and including V20.
I've shown a couple of toolbars that I don't normally have displayed. They can be docked just like the others.

http://files.engineering.com/getfil...412f-a656-07c7f37b59c3&file=V19_Interface.jpg

bc.
2.4GHz Core2 Quad, 4GB RAM,
Quadro FX4600.

 

[pkelecy]

Scott, - Thanks for the link on the dual install.

The interface is just one reason I was considering v20. The other was lack of training materials (tutorials, books, etc) available for v100. What little there is, seems to be mostly oriented towards ST. I prefer to traditional environment. I'm sure more will eventually come, but as a new user I really need something now. So if I go v20, I'll be able to use all the v20 materials, which there are plenty of.


bc, - Thanks for the picture of the v20 interface. It reminds me of Cobalt's (what I've been using) with the tool bar on the side (which I like). It makes me wonder why Siemens switched to the new interface, since the old one looks more functional. Any idea? With Cobalt, the menus are all "fly out" to reveal other tools of the same type. They can also be "torn off" to make them floating, if desired (similar to what you show with PMI and Modify). This makes for a very efficient (and customizable) modeling environment.

BTW, how did you get those floating menus? Is that something available in the new interface as well?

Thanks,

Pat

 

[beachcomber]

All toolbars can float - you just drag them away from their docked position. The can be docked at top, bottom, left or right side of the screen, even the feature/assembly free can be left or right side or floating.
Don't know about the new interface, never used it
As to why they changed it I don't know, I always thought it was such a clean and simple interface that works really well with a wide screen because there's little used at top and bottom.
In draft, my 24" widescreen gives me a full size A3 drawing area with the 'old' interface.
I usually create my own toolbars for part, assembly and draft. Just RMB on a toolbar area and select customise.
It will create a new toolbar that you can drag and drop commands onto.

bc.
2.4GHz Core2 Quad, 4GB RAM,
Quadro FX4600.

 

[Gemnoc]

It is truly baffling why, in this day of mostly widescreen LCDs, Microsoft chose to design a Ribbon that steals so much vertical space. Even more baffling, the fact that CAD companies (I have not heard of ANY other field where the MS Office interface is used) would adopt this Fluent interface, with almost no customizing options, when IMHO maximizing your model view would be paramount.

But I will not resist "the tide" any further (Resistance is futile, as the Borg/Microsoft would say), as I'm planning to dual install SEwST with my already functionning V20.

SO thanks for the pointers. ;-P

 

[Gemnoc]

Well I just read on the UGS forum a post from Dan Staples that in upcoming SEwST2, the Quick Access bar will be more configurable, with separators and ability to move the tools up and down. That, along with hiding the ribbon, will allow to recover much needed space.

 

[PatCouture]

Hi

As you may know from my earlier post, I'm wondering if I should go with ST or not...

I decided to stick with V20 for now, it's a safer bet if I want to avoid productivity problems. But since I have some free time in front of me I would like to test SEwST with a small assembly.

So I would like to install SEwST while keeping V20 intact. I had a look at the link from Swertel to the Solid Edge wiki, but since I'm really bad with codes I was hoping for some clarifications about the detailed steps for the dual install.

Thanks in advance.

Patrick

 

[PatCouture]

Don't bother guys I figured it out!

It was much simpler than I thought.

Thanks.

Patrick

 

[lapuser]

Hi all, insofar as opening a file from v20 in v1 there is always an answer although it does consume some time and may initialy cost some functionality of the part in areas I am not aware of. You can always save this as a parasolid and open it up in different versions this way. VX cadcam gave me the same grief with opening a later version file with earlier version sofware and this never failed to solve the problem for me.

 

[pkelecy]

Patrick,

Would you mind sharing how you did it? I haven't actually tried this yet, but had the same reaction to Swertel's link (wasn't sure at what point in the process to execute those commands).

Thanks,

Pat K.

 

[PatCouture]

Pat K.

You have to put the DVD of the new version in you drive.

For example if your dvd drive is called D: and you want to install SEwSt then use this command prompt in the windows executable

msiexec /i "D:\solid edge\solid edge ST.msi" MULTIVERSION="Yes"

Or if your DVD drive is called Y: and you want to install V20...

msiexec /i "Y:\solid edge\solid edge V20.msi" MULTIVERSION="Yes"

Then the install starts automatically with a prompt saying that you should not use a dual install in production environment.

If it doesn't work for you as it did for me then I hope someone else will be able to help you because that's how far my knowledge on this subject go

Patrick C.

 

[Gemnoc]

I did the same thing as PatCouture, works like a charm.

Don't forget to run the MakeVerCurr.exe executable from the desired version before starting it. It's in the 'Solid Edge VXX/Program' sub-folder.

I created two shortcuts on my desktop and renamed them to "Make ST current" and "Make V20 current".

And, obviously, do not open V20 files with ST if you need them to continue being compatible with V20.

 

[donyoung]

Hi,

you can find the procedure within the Readme.html inside
SE's install folder or on the DVD; topic 'Silent install'
After running a silent install the installed version will
be made the current (active) version when finished.
MakeVerCurr.exe must be run with admin rights. Select
the program --> RMB --> Run AS when your account does
not have that right.
Be warned, however: some Addins or other programs may no
longer work. Furtheron keep your files separate: once saved
with the higher version they become unreadable for the lower
one ...

dy

 

[pkelecy]

Thanks for the clarification. It worked. I got v20 installed along side ST.

One other comment I thought I'd pass along (as it might not be obvious to some) is that if you do this with the downloaded version of the software (as I did), you need to *extract* that *.exe file (just like it was a zip file) to generate the solid edge folder containing the *.msi file referenced above. It generates a lot of other files and folders as well, but that's the only one needed. I used 7-Zip for this (a very nice, free utility, btw) but I'm sure XP's built-in extraction tool would work also.

Of course, the path you then use in the "msiexec" command needs to go to where ever the extracted Solid Edge folder is. To simplify that, I moved it to the root (C directory. With it there, the command matches what PatCouture showed above (with Y = C):

msiexec /i "C:\solid edge\solid edge V20.msi" MULTIVERSION="Yes"

Pat