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Things are Starting to Warm Up Part III 6
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GeeZeus ... I brought up CFCs as an example of the international community getting together and doing something useful (banning CFCs); not as a counter point to climate change.
It wasn't universally accepted (or so I understand) but it did (I assume) reduce CFC production.
It was possible because there was a reasonably obvious and economical alternative.
Not so FFs.
Now as I look at the NASA data (see separate thread) I'm not seeing a major recovery (as we're told). The last I can easily find is that the 2018 (or 2019) hole was the smallest ever. Nothing says "oh crap, it's back to being as big as it ever was (in recent times hole area has been consistently 25E6km2).
"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.
It wasn't universally accepted (or so I understand) but it did (I assume) reduce CFC production.
It was possible because there was a reasonably obvious and economical alternative.
Not so FFs.
Now as I look at the NASA data (see separate thread) I'm not seeing a major recovery (as we're told). The last I can easily find is that the 2018 (or 2019) hole was the smallest ever. Nothing says "oh crap, it's back to being as big as it ever was (in recent times hole area has been consistently 25E6km2).
"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.
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Sorry I missed that, my apologies. Often with climate change, people throw out 'red herrings' to distract...
We saw how the international community dealt with Covid... I suspect the same with climate change.
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
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rb1957,
People coming here (or anywhere) shouldn’t be doing their thinking out loud, in public. Filter your thoughts beforehand is a good guideline in life. People wouldn’t want to see my thought process (besides it would probably get me arrested). Intentionally or not, it throws up distracting flack, and you see the effects in repeatedly taking these threads off-road.
It’s worse than that, we have one member effectively distracting himself and then sticking to almost random unsupportable abstracted positions like a terrier with a bone. Then when facts arrive, he resorts to social media grade politics, name calling, or gratuitous amateur psychological profiling. But most often, goalpost shifting. It would be effective if debate was run on WWE principles, but sorry, it’s not.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
People coming here (or anywhere) shouldn’t be doing their thinking out loud, in public. Filter your thoughts beforehand is a good guideline in life. People wouldn’t want to see my thought process (besides it would probably get me arrested). Intentionally or not, it throws up distracting flack, and you see the effects in repeatedly taking these threads off-road.
It’s worse than that, we have one member effectively distracting himself and then sticking to almost random unsupportable abstracted positions like a terrier with a bone. Then when facts arrive, he resorts to social media grade politics, name calling, or gratuitous amateur psychological profiling. But most often, goalpost shifting. It would be effective if debate was run on WWE principles, but sorry, it’s not.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
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Potentially interesting stuff... they are in new territory:
![[pipe]](/data/assets/smilies/pipe.gif "[pipe] [pipe]")
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
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My postings are just observations to show what may lie ahead. It's a chance for others to think about the problem and possibly come up with a solution. I, personally, don't think a solution will be obtained. There's too much inertia, by people that are still making fortunes from it, including governments.
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
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Likelihood that it is climate change, and not just an aberration of climate:
"The team looked at two-day-average temperatures and maximum temperatures over England and Wales for July 18–19. In today’s climate, that two-day average experienced during the heatwave comes in at around a 1 percent annual probability—often referred to as a 100-year event. The maximum temperature looks even rarer, with just a 0.1 percent probability or 1,000-year return period.
Subtracting 1.2° C of global warming would make it much more difficult to reach such high temperatures. The team describes the odds in a pre-industrial climate as “almost impossible," with calculated return periods well over 10,000 years. Or to frame it another way, a similarly rare event in a pre-industrial climate would actually fall about 4° C (7.2° F) shy of last week’s records."
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
"The team looked at two-day-average temperatures and maximum temperatures over England and Wales for July 18–19. In today’s climate, that two-day average experienced during the heatwave comes in at around a 1 percent annual probability—often referred to as a 100-year event. The maximum temperature looks even rarer, with just a 0.1 percent probability or 1,000-year return period.
Subtracting 1.2° C of global warming would make it much more difficult to reach such high temperatures. The team describes the odds in a pre-industrial climate as “almost impossible," with calculated return periods well over 10,000 years. Or to frame it another way, a similarly rare event in a pre-industrial climate would actually fall about 4° C (7.2° F) shy of last week’s records."
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
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You might want to grab your beastburgers while you can:
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
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...an easy place to start fixing, if businesses didn't get in the way. This likely won't work in Texas:
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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
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Yeah but ‘state’s rights’.
Texas is too proud, stubborn and frankly, stupid to go along with anything federal or sensible. (Got to say though, ‘Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT)’ is an interesting name.)
EPRI is doing a lot of work on grid reliability and modernization, but again, decisions are driven by politics and money.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
Texas is too proud, stubborn and frankly, stupid to go along with anything federal or sensible. (Got to say though, ‘Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT)’ is an interesting name.)
EPRI is doing a lot of work on grid reliability and modernization, but again, decisions are driven by politics and money.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
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dik,
You say ‘beastburgers’ like it’s a bad thing!
Seriously though, reducing meat consumption is a win-win-win-win, and one of the most direct and powerful ways that individuals can combat climate change. I’m not on the vegan bandwagon (a bit of a cult really), but I’ve always consumed meat in moderation. At an early age it was out of economic necessity, now it is out of habit and for health.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
You say ‘beastburgers’ like it’s a bad thing!
Seriously though, reducing meat consumption is a win-win-win-win, and one of the most direct and powerful ways that individuals can combat climate change. I’m not on the vegan bandwagon (a bit of a cult really), but I’ve always consumed meat in moderation. At an early age it was out of economic necessity, now it is out of habit and for health.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
I've always been a proponent of aborting animal fetuses before they are born and using the aborted fetuses for human consumption. Less feed lot requirements and less stress on the animals. Probably better for CO2 as well.
@TBE ... on the face of it ... yetch ! but maybe it's like veal ??
Maybe it's a case of what people on my side of the supermarket don't see the better ?
I'd rather use them as animal (pet) food.
"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.
Maybe it's a case of what people on my side of the supermarket don't see the better ?
I'd rather use them as animal (pet) food.
"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.
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Creepy and utterly point-missing.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
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dik,
Suggestion for round IV renaming:
“Things have started towarm heat up”
New book coming out
A quote from the piece confirms what I and many others had already deduced since at least Paris:
“I know a lot of people working in climate science who say one thing in public but a very different thing in private. In confidence, they are all much more scared about the future we face, but they won’t admit that in public. I call this climate appeasement and I believe it only makes things worse. The world needs to know how bad things are going to get before we can hope to start to tackle the crisis.”
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
Suggestion for round IV renaming:
“Things have started to
New book coming out
A quote from the piece confirms what I and many others had already deduced since at least Paris:
“I know a lot of people working in climate science who say one thing in public but a very different thing in private. In confidence, they are all much more scared about the future we face, but they won’t admit that in public. I call this climate appeasement and I believe it only makes things worse. The world needs to know how bad things are going to get before we can hope to start to tackle the crisis.”
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
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Scary book and concept... but it might be on the right track. That's been one of my concerns for several months. There's no indication that the world is on track to try to correct it. The real downside is that you don't know how far this will go or how it will end. I wasn't joking about 50C in the American southwest. As Hokie pointed out, a good mass extinction, may not be a bad thing.
You can't get much more blunt than:
"As to the reason for the world’s tragically tardy response, McGuire blames a “conspiracy of ignorance, inertia, poor governance, and obfuscation and lies by climate change deniers that has ensured that we have sleepwalked to within less than half a degree of the dangerous 1.5C climate change guardrail. Soon, barring some sort of miracle, we will crash through it.”
The future is forbidding from this perspective, though McGuire stresses that if carbon emissions can be cut substantially in the near future, and if we start to adapt to a much hotter world today, a truly calamitous and unsustainable future can be avoided. The days ahead will be grimmer, but not disastrous. We may not be able to give climate breakdown the slip but we can head off further instalments that would appear as a climate cataclysm bad enough to threaten the very survival of human civilisation."
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
You can't get much more blunt than:
"As to the reason for the world’s tragically tardy response, McGuire blames a “conspiracy of ignorance, inertia, poor governance, and obfuscation and lies by climate change deniers that has ensured that we have sleepwalked to within less than half a degree of the dangerous 1.5C climate change guardrail. Soon, barring some sort of miracle, we will crash through it.”
The future is forbidding from this perspective, though McGuire stresses that if carbon emissions can be cut substantially in the near future, and if we start to adapt to a much hotter world today, a truly calamitous and unsustainable future can be avoided. The days ahead will be grimmer, but not disastrous. We may not be able to give climate breakdown the slip but we can head off further instalments that would appear as a climate cataclysm bad enough to threaten the very survival of human civilisation."
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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Population control is how some people justify war. Sick.
Birth control is less violent and much cheaper but the Evangelical-Republican Complex has designs on banning that, in concert with the newly minted third chamber of government, SCOTUS.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
Birth control is less violent and much cheaper but the Evangelical-Republican Complex has designs on banning that, in concert with the newly minted third chamber of government, SCOTUS.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
Brim, I'm just trying to guess at your internal monologue you said you don't share with us.
enginesrus
Mechanical
How come these pressure areas seem to do the almost exact same thing every year? Warming is caused by positioning of the High and low pressure areas. Just watch your local weather on the news. Co2 or anyother gas has nothing to do with it.
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engine... you might want to do some reading about climate change... like it or not, it's happening, and is a direct result of CO2
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