Things are Starting to Warm/Heat Up Part IV 9

[dik]

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Is there a possibility the changes may be more severe that we may not be able to adapt?

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2022/8/13/how-should-we-adapt-to-climate-change

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Dik, how is it possible that we may not be able to adapt?

 

[TugboatEng]

I just watched "An Enemy of the People" last night. The movie was surprisingly good. It took quote a few jabs at the media of the time (hand powered printing press times). Perhaps it can open a few of us up to some critical thinking.

 

[TugboatEng]

Hey dik, looks like Europe has the same drought in 1616.

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article264446131.html

Was it caused by fossil fuels?

 

[dik]

Depends on how severe things get... there could be some huge 'shakeups' in life style, and people don't even seem to handle Covid, well.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

As humans we have proven we can survive in outer space. How is it possible that we might not be able to adapt?

 

[1503-44]

That's the frog in the water. Change is not in itself fatal. Rate of change will do it every time.

Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[1503-44]

Tug. You will say that it is way too expensive to equip every human being with EVA space suits. Then you also have to save all the other species we depend on.


Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[TugboatEng]

The adaptation is simple in this case. We shouldn't be wasting resources attempting to harden our coastal cities. A much more efficient adaptation would be to build new, efficient cities on locations >260 feet above the current sea level.

The fact that this isn't the first and highest priority is proof that nobody actually believes this nonsense.

 

[dik]

That's one of the concerns... we've accomplished in decades what has taken millennia in past.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Rising sealevel is one of the least concerning problems. There are a pile of other possible concerns that are much worse than 20' of water.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

That's one of the concerns... we've accomplished in decades what has taken millennia in past.

You keep repeating this nonsense. In the past 14,000 years the average rate of sea level rise has been significantly faster than it is today. Over the last 14,000 years the rate of sea level rise has been 0.028 feet per year. Over the last 100 years the rate has been 0.003 feet per year.

 

[dik]

...and in 200 years, it may increase a whole bunch... not 20,000 years.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

I don't know where you get your numbers... I prefer mine:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

HIGHLIGHTS
[ul]
[li]Sea level has risen 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880.[/li]
[li]In 2020, global sea level set a new record high—91.3 mm (3.6 inches) above 1993 levels.[/li]
[li]The rate of sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.[/li]
[li]In many locations along the U.S. coastline, high-tide flooding is now 300% to more than 900% more frequent than it was 50 years ago.[/li]
[li]If we are able to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, U.S. sea level in 2100 is projected to be around 0.6 meters (2 feet) higher on average than it was in 2000.[/li]
[li]On a pathway with high greenhouse gas emissions and rapid ice sheet collapse, models project that average sea level rise for the contiguous United States could be 2.2 meters (7.2 feet) by 2100 and 3.9 meters (13 feet) by 2150.[/li]
[/ul]

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

So in 120 years it has risen 8 inches and nobody noticed. If it rises a few feet in 200 years is it really going to be catastrophic for the human race?

Every pathway to reduce greenhouse gasses involve massive greenhouse gas emissions? The only correct action here is to prepare as prevention is only going to exacerbate the problem.

 

[TugboatEng]

The human race has thrived over the past 400 feet of sea level rise. Why should I be so concerned by 7 more feet?

 

[dik]

As I noted earlier, "Rising sealevel is one of the least concerning problems." It just gives you a bigger playground to play with your boats...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

@TBE ... "The human race has thrived over the past 400 feet of sea level rise." Really ? in 3000, 4000 years SL has changed 400' ?? is there a reference for this statement ?

And yes dik, sealevel change probably isn't the critical climate change issue (unless you're on a low lying island, or Florida). It came up as someone suggested an engineering solution to the "problem" (don't build below 200' ASL) and spiraled from there.

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[TugboatEng]

RB, yes it was approximately 14,000 years ago when sea levels were low enough humans were able to cross from Asia to North America. Search Beringia for more information. The stories of Noah's Ark and Atlantis are also about sea level rise.

Keep in mind, at that time, what would become the north Eastern United States was under 2 miles of ice at the time. Global warming has been a boon so far. What could another degree or two hurt?

 

[dik]

I'm well aware of that and one of the main consequences was that those crossing were not exposed to the diseases of Europe... the Europeans coming over committed one of the first biological genocides by infecting and killing off a large number of the inhabitants. The journey is well discussed in an earlier TV Ontario program series titled 'Origins'... of 35 years back. A recent discovery, of a month ago, takes the first people arriving in North America about 17,000 years earlier, before Beringia...

https://www.12news.com/article/news...-away/75-6fc00d8a-169f-4539-ac0d-e835906b2019

Robbing Peter to pay Paul... seems like a good idea... what could possibly go wrong?

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik