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Things are Starting to Warm/Heat Up Part IV 9
- Thread starter dik
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Dik said:
Climate change exists but you’re simply imagining it when you say you can easily detect it by looking out the window. You’re doing the same thing so many people do - looking at weather events and saying “see? Climate change.”. It’s textbook confirmation bias.
Climate change has taken hundreds of scientists and decades of careful research to actually prove. It is extremely difficult to find any real anomaly in extreme events. Claiming you can easily see climate change simply by looking out the window is fallacious reasoning.
TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
Great example brimmer, a city built landfill sinking into the ocean is sea level rise.
Guest102023
Materials
Tomfh said:
It’s called an expression. Try not to read everything so literally.
I find it hilarious when deniers pick up terms like ‘confirmation bias’ and ‘silos’ and throw them up as attacks on folks like dik who take these problems seriously.
Textbook upsidedownworld.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
I can't take them seriously. The action now crowd are doing more damage than good. Completely replacing our energy infrastructure is going to cost more energy than it took us to get here.
This constant drone of climate change in every media, entertainment, etc is present to create and fear makes us make irrational decisions like investing in gravity batteries.
This constant drone of climate change in every media, entertainment, etc is present to create and fear makes us make irrational decisions like investing in gravity batteries.
Guest102023
Materials
Make your rants more focused and coherent and there’s a chance I might try to slog through them, but still there’s only so much absurdity I can tolerate in a week.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
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GregLocock
Automotive
If Florida is sinking it is largely because the tectonic plate for North America is tilting, about a line roughly running from California to the north
The Mediterranean isn't rising significantly, according to NASA, so Venice sinking is just the usual Venice stuff. As it turns out, plate tectonics (again) and groundwater extraction are big contributors.
The Pacific islands are growing not sinking, in general.
3/3 not bad BS
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Greg Locock
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The Mediterranean isn't rising significantly, according to NASA, so Venice sinking is just the usual Venice stuff. As it turns out, plate tectonics (again) and groundwater extraction are big contributors.
The Pacific islands are growing not sinking, in general.
3/3 not bad BS
Cheers
Greg Locock
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HIGHLIGHTS
Sea level has risen 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880.
In 2020, global sea level set a new record high—91.3 mm (3.6 inches) above 1993 levels.
The rate of sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.
In many locations along the U.S. coastline, high-tide flooding is now 300% to more than 900% more frequent than it was 50 years ago.
If we are able to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, U.S. sea level in 2100 is projected to be around 0.6 meters (2 feet) higher on average than it was in 2000.
On a pathway with high greenhouse gas emissions and rapid ice sheet collapse, models project that average sea level rise for the contiguous United States could be 2.2 meters (7.2 feet) by 2100 and 3.9 meters (13 feet) by 2150.
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
HIGHLIGHTS
Sea level has risen 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880.
In 2020, global sea level set a new record high—91.3 mm (3.6 inches) above 1993 levels.
The rate of sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.
In many locations along the U.S. coastline, high-tide flooding is now 300% to more than 900% more frequent than it was 50 years ago.
If we are able to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, U.S. sea level in 2100 is projected to be around 0.6 meters (2 feet) higher on average than it was in 2000.
On a pathway with high greenhouse gas emissions and rapid ice sheet collapse, models project that average sea level rise for the contiguous United States could be 2.2 meters (7.2 feet) by 2100 and 3.9 meters (13 feet) by 2150.
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
GregLocock
Automotive
"In many locations along the U.S. coastline, high-tide flooding is now 300% to more than 900% more frequent than it was 50 years ago."
Yes, these figures were from tide gages and hence measure tectonic plates tilting, groundwater extraction, wetland draining, dredging, and a slight effect from sealevel changing, whereas the NASA maps actually measure sea level, not the other stuff.
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Greg Locock
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Yes, these figures were from tide gages and hence measure tectonic plates tilting, groundwater extraction, wetland draining, dredging, and a slight effect from sealevel changing, whereas the NASA maps actually measure sea level, not the other stuff.
Cheers
Greg Locock
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Guest102023
Materials
GL,
Are you trying to say it is all due to subsidence? That is a factor in relative sea level rise but it does not explain most of it. The first map below shows subsidence does not explain overall sea level rise. There are a few places (Pacific NW, Alaska) where plate rise exceeds sea level rise, but not enough to mitigate the global problem very much.
Further, there is this statement in the link: Some estimates indicate that up to 80 percent of subsidence in the U.S. is caused by the exploitation of underground water stores. The remainder is mainly due to geologic factors.
In other words, human caused from both ends.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
Are you trying to say it is all due to subsidence? That is a factor in relative sea level rise but it does not explain most of it. The first map below shows subsidence does not explain overall sea level rise. There are a few places (Pacific NW, Alaska) where plate rise exceeds sea level rise, but not enough to mitigate the global problem very much.
Further, there is this statement in the link: Some estimates indicate that up to 80 percent of subsidence in the U.S. is caused by the exploitation of underground water stores. The remainder is mainly due to geologic factors.
In other words, human caused from both ends.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
Guest102023
Materials
TugboatEng said:
In other words, "keep destroying the way we've been destroying" -- guaranteed failure that resembles slow motion suicide.
Tug, you're a master of the extreme 'either-or' gambit. But it's a logical and moral failure as well as a cop-out, because failure is not an option.
To steal a riff, 'if you are not with us, you are against us'. 'Us' being the ones with children and grandchildren we care about.
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
Brimmer, there are two groups that stand to benefit from all of this AGW nonsense. There are the Marxists who want to use the movement to inject their social change into the world, expand governments, and take away liberties. Then, there are the capitalists who want funnel that expanded government money into their pockets for their "green" projects.
So no, I'm not an either-or person. I think both sides are bad. However, I think your side is worse because it creates the situation for the capitalists to take advantage of.
So no, I'm not an either-or person. I think both sides are bad. However, I think your side is worse because it creates the situation for the capitalists to take advantage of.
Guest102023
Materials
I'm still waiting for you to tell me what my side is
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
GregLocock
Automotive
This sea level lark is great fun, never has so much data been manipulated by the few to scare so many. As Mr Churchill might have said.
So, here's NASA's satellite sea level data with a hastily manufactured explanation for an inconvenient DROP in 2010, yet somehow dik's panic merchants didn't try to explain the much less abrupt acceleration 2006-2015 by discussing the possible causes, which doesn't appear in the satellite data. So a bit of rain here and there causes a 5mm drop in sea level. That's very interesting.
Cheers
Greg Locock
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So, here's NASA's satellite sea level data with a hastily manufactured explanation for an inconvenient DROP in 2010, yet somehow dik's panic merchants didn't try to explain the much less abrupt acceleration 2006-2015 by discussing the possible causes, which doesn't appear in the satellite data. So a bit of rain here and there causes a 5mm drop in sea level. That's very interesting.
Cheers
Greg Locock
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Guest102023
Materials
OK, you've established I am an Enemy of the State. But there are many varieties, which am I?
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"
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Western Democracy may not be all it's cracked up to be... look up the term Oligarchy, more likely the governments the US and Canada have.
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
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...not only heat up, but dry up, too:
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates
-Dik
TugboatEng
Marine/Ocean
Marxist. Have I not made that clear? Same as that IM account you use as an alt. Philosophy and Marxism seem to go hand in hand.
I apologize Greg for dirtying up the responses to your interesting and critical comment.
I apologize Greg for dirtying up the responses to your interesting and critical comment.
GregLocock
Automotive
They don't have a clue partly because the meeja are spreading silly scare stories. The facts are, as they say, out there, but the politicians and journalists like to confuse the issue. BS came up with 3 terrific examples, where he repeated the stories peddled by the usual suspects, yet which on even brief examination turn out to be 180 degrees from the truth. Venice is not sinking primarily due to sea level change, ditto USA coastal cities, and Pacific islands are mainly growing, not shrinking. I emailed some journo about an especially stupid set of numbers in a renewable energy article and her response was that the numbers came from the company's press release. She didn't see a problem in blindly repeating what some PR hack had put together to sell their idea, rephrased to make it sound authoritative.
Cheers
Greg Locock
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