Things are Starting to Warm/Heat Up Part IV 9

[dik]

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So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Now that we know climate change is happening and there is nothing we can do to stop it, I propose a construction permit ban within 260 feet of the current sea level (the projected sea level rise). This is the only correct solution to the problem as it's the only one that minimizes the resources used.

 

[dik]

That will do nothing to reduce the effects of climate change. The problem has to be addressed, first.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

Yes, it will do something. We need to accept climate change as fact and minimize impacts. Trying to prevent climate change consumes unnecessary energy and resources. The only logical step is to prepare for climate change. Building 260 foot sea walls around coastal cities is going to emit a lot of CO2. Building new cities at higher elevations is going to replace existing infrastructure without adding new burden.

 

[dik]

sorry tug... trying to prevent climate change from getting a lot worse... which is where it is headed. We may already be beyond some of the 'essential stop' points. Building back 260' will have no effect on the outcome. You may not be able to accommodate some of the possible changes. What happens if California and Texas max temperatures rise by 20C? It may be a 'fools errand' to think that you can accommodate them and use that as an excuse for not doing anything.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[TugboatEng]

I said build up 260 feet, not back. I'm not talking trivial changes here. I said ban permits for construction below 260 feet above sea level.

There is absolutely nothing we can do to reduce CO2 emissions in the next 50 years as all infrastructure improvements cost CO2 up front and have long term payoff periods.

With all of the doom and gloom articles posted here, it's hard to be optimistic. Maybe it's time to be realistic.

I posted the apparently misunderstood story of Noah's Ark. He wasn't preparing for a storm, he was witnessing sea level rise. Noah was smart and moved to high ground. Perhaps we should listen to history. Noah only had to go high enough. Sea level hasn't stopped rising since the time of Noah.

 

[Guest102023]

Mega-drought

We keep aggressively growing in places we shouldn’t: Arizona, Utah, S. Ontario.

 

[dik]

mega growing will limit itself as soon as you eliminate the chemical fertilizers.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Windward]

I count seven commenters here so far. Three of them post the most, and the OP posts the most by far. I think this ratio is probably true for the earlier threads on this topic.

That rule applies to the population of the planet. Very few of us care enough about the growing catastrophe to even say something about it. I know there are strong reasons for it. Most of them have families and careers and hopes and dreams. Why harsh the mellow? But a strong reason is not necessarily a good one. What are those hopes and dreams?

Of those who say something, very few do anything about the problem. That last rule is obvious here.

 

[dik]

About 30 years back, I quit driving for 12 years because my kids convinced me it was bad for the climate. I only started back up because I needed to because of my new job, at the time. I quit driving about 5 years back, partly eyesight and partly because I didn't need to. I can easily get by with pubic transportation most of the time.

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[hokie66]

Windward,

Yes, hot air is not helping.

 

[dik]

Anyone know how to build an ark?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVb0zNTnGBk

https://phys.org/news/2022-08-world-biggest-ice-sheet-antarctica.html

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

This may be a sign of things coming.

I usually keep my AC at 68F... which is cool... I like cool. It will be interesting if the southern states are restricted to setting their commercial ACs to 80F. I don't know what they are currently set at, but I suspect about 70F.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/3/2...ing-air-conditioning-below-27-degrees-celsius

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Some of the effects humans have had on earth:

https://www.wired.com/story/striking-graphs-that-show-humanitys-domination-of-the-earth/

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

Planning for the future:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-to-protect-against-climate-driven-disasters

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/03/climate-change-isnt-a-left-wing-plot-charity-founder-says.html

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[rb1957]

dik ... you have AC ?? your kids got you to give up driving, but you all kept the AC going. Any you cool to 68F ! ... boy, that's cool (mine is set for 22C).

I think it's laudable to use public transport ... at least one of the otherwise empty seats is being used. IMHO, outside of peak hour, public transport is very wasteful.

I do find your logic very "adaptable" ... kids get you to stop driving, but then you start again when you "need" to. You're so concerned that you stop driving, but keep the AC on ? Do you have solar cells ? maybe a heat pump ? (to save using the gird, and their Carbon cost) If you live in an area where you need AC (I'm guessing southern states, maybe Florida, but then I thought you were in Canada ??) why not move to where you don't need it ? where you can minimise your carbon footprint (to zero ? not reduce it for convenience).

"Hoffen wir mal, dass alles gut geht !"
General Paulus, Nov 1942, outside Stalingrad after the launch of Operation Uranus.

 

[dik]

Yes, and it is unfriendly. It's a 14000 BTU floor portable unit, and cools the lower floor, where my 'office' is. My fault... the only mitigating thing is that we have hydro, which is user friendly.

ACs disconnected...

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[dik]

On a positive note, it appears parts of the Great Barrier Reef are improving:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...arrier-Reef-highest-coral-cover-36-years.html

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[GregLocock]

To nobody's great surprise, the northern part of the GBR, most subject to the hot/cold water surge from La Nina/El Nino, shows the biggest change. Although this is a positive story, it is just random chatter. Crown of thorns is still an issue, but always has been.

Cheers

Greg Locock


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[dik]

I wonder what the chances of this repeating next year, are? 1000 year storms seem to be occuring more frequent than ever.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Three-1-000-year-rains-week-left-38-dead.html

So strange to see the singularity approaching while the entire planet is rapidly turning into a hellscape. -John Coates

-Dik

 

[Guest102023]

Not so much fun for turtles

"If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, when are you going to find time to repair it?"