Stainless steel vs CP 2

[xda]

Are stainless steel pipes also protected by CP Sytem???

 

[EdStainless]

For buried systems SS piping is often coated and/or protected by CP. In cases of agressive soil conditions, hazadous materials, or very long required lifetime, both coating and CP are used.

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[stanweld]

If you do not know precisely what your soil conditions are throughout the length of the pipe system, I would advise the use of CP. I have seen rapid pitting failurs in unprotected 316 SS and 304 SS piping in both a gas utility's riser connection to the meter/regulator at individual home locations ($5 million USD replacement cost in 1979 dollars), in miles of fuel gas piping at a major Air Base (over 25 million USD repalcement cost in 1980 dollars)and a number of international incidents with equally staggering costs for replacement.

 

[EdStainless]

The Airforce case is a good one. The 316 fuel lines are now burried inside of palstic.

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[xda]

Is protection criteria for SS similar with CS?
Are there any CP standards for protecting SS?

 

[AndrewLindsay]

There has been much research done into the requirements for cathodic protection of stainless steels compared to carbon steels over the past 30 years. Under most situations, it is likely to be OK to use standard carbon steel design guidelines.

Care should be taken however in selecting the CP system to be used, depending on the grade of stainless steel to be used, the soil conditions, and the life of the asset. Stainless steels can suffer from hydrogen embrittlement, so care must be taken to avoid over protection of the steel and the resultant Hydrogen evolution that occurs.

A competent corrosion engineer should be able to assist you.

regards
Andrew Lindsay

 

[EdStainless]

The ferritic or dual phase ferritic/matensitic alloys can have issues with hydrogen. This is not a factor with the austenitic grades.
This is one area where you need to hire a pro.

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[projacktowl]

Would stainless steel be cheaper than mild steel with excellent coatings? If not, what is the point of using stainless steel with cathodic protection.

Would the passivation process of the stainless steel pipe buried underground when it is fully polarised?

Thank you for your comments. This is my first post.

 

[stanweld]

projacktowl,
1. Stainless steel is specified for the process side environment - not the "buried" side from a corrosion standpoint, hence, coated carbon steel cannot be used.
2. The problem with S.S. in buried service is that full polarization may not be achieved throughout the length of the burial without application of CP.

 

[projacktowl]

stanweld,

I'm sorry for the second question I asked. I made a mistake. Let me re-phrase it.

Would the passivation process of the stainless steel pipe (outer surface) be compromised, when it is buried underground and with application of CP (impressed / sacrificial)?

Thank you for your first reply.

 

[stanweld]

With proper application of CP, the stainless steel surface exposed to the soil will remain in the passive state. Impressed current CP systems have been used on large complex underground stainless piping systems and sacrificial anodes have been used to protect short, simple underground systems in plants on projects in which I have been involved.

 

[MalcolmA]

I once saw a situation where some burried stainless tubing was protected by wrapping it in aluminum foil.
Does that seem like an acceptable method to protect the tubing?