Slab on grade & frost heave 1

[LearnerN]

What are some of the best ways to have a slab on grade and yet protect against frost heave?

 

[MikeE55]

Turn down the exterior edges of the slab so that they extend below the frost line is the best way when you are in an area with a relatively shallow frost depth.

 

[TLHS]

Rigid foam insulation.

 

[LearnerN]

Unfortunately, I'm in an area with like a 5' deep frost depth and only need a small 10'x10' pad for a day tank. May look into replacing some of the soil with some gravel fill (less susceptible to frost heave) and may add some sort of insulation directly under the slab.

 

[EdStainless]

Sounds like you need to float the slab, all of the load on piers and none on the soil.

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[Lion06]

In conversations with a lot of geotechs lately, it sounds like using an aggregate base to an elevation below frost to break the capillary action of the groundwater is the most effective way to prevent frost heaving.

The turn down at the perimeter helps, but the entire field of concrete only has a 6" barrier against the cold and will likely still freeze and heave.

 

[BAretired]

If you decide to use insulation, you must carry it well beyond the slab. Frost travels sideways just as far as it travels down.

A gravel pad is good, but to carry it 5'-0" below grade is a bit pricy.

Would it be possible to let it heave and provide flexible connections so that the heaving creates no problem?

BA

 

[manstrom]

Code wise, you don't need a frost footing for 100sf or less. Float it and ride it out. Local code may be different.

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[LearnerN]

Sorry, I'm a newbie: what does it mean to "float" a slab?

 

[KootK]

To float a slab is to allow it to ride along with frost heave. Depending on your soil profile, you could also suspend the slab on four small helical piles.

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[oldestguy]

I don't agree with Mike55. Constructing a "frost wall" does nothing for the area under the slab if that zone goes below 32 degrees F. Concrete is a good conductor of heat out of the area under the slab. However, if the contents of the tank are kept above freezing, then you may have no problem, since it keeps the ground below the slab warm. Use flexible connections and forget about the potential frost action.

 

[Jerehmy]

Design and Construction of Frost-Protected Shallow Foundations (32-01) ASCE. Worked well for us.

 

[msquared48]

If water cannot get under the slab area, freezing of any water will not occur, regardless of freezing temperatures. If the water table elevation is not controlled though, all bets are off.

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)

 

[msquared48]

Oh, and keep the slab well sealed too - maintenance issue here.



Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)

 

[medeek]

I like the idea of floating the entire slab with flexible connections. However if you ever observed frost heaved ground you will notice that it is usually uneven to some degree or another. To prevent the differential heaving from cracking the slab what sort of reinforcing would be suggested or is this even a factor?

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[BAretired]

For a ten foot square slab, I would not be too worried about differential heaving unless there are known anomalies underlying the slab such as previous excavations. If it's a concern, a top and bottom mat of reinforcement could be considered.

BA