Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE 1

[KootK]

So... kinda need my Oregon PE/SE for some work that I've got on the go. By virtue of previous efforts in California and Washington, I meet all of the requirements save one:

In Oregon you have to be a PE before you can be an SE. And you can't be an SE unless you've taken the civil version of the PE exam and only the civil version. I took the Stuctures I exam for my PE back when that used to be an option but Oregon won't accept that.

If there's anyone else out there who's dealt with this, I'd love to hear about your experience. If I have to go back to square two (I do have FE), it's going to make for a rather unpleasant/unprofitable fall season for KootK. KootK no like.

I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.

 

[Guastavino]

Hey KootK,

Back in Spring 2013 I took the PE - Civil with structural concentration for the afternoon. Will they accept that? If so, you could pass that test with your eyes closed. It's a joke.

Ironically, I took that on Friday and then SE part 2 on Saturday. (I passed the SE part 1 the previous fall). The difference in exams was unimaginable. SE>>PE

 

[BadgerPE]

SE>>PE as in way more fun???

 

[KootK]

I took the PE - Civil with structural concentration for the afternoon. Will they accept that? If so, you could pass that test with your eyes closed.

Yes, they would. And that's very encouraging to hear. If I sit it in October, I'll probably have to write it blind. I've got a new venture on the go work-wise and I don't see having any serious time to study.

I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.

 

[Guastavino]

KootK, buy this book (or an older version). It is a necessity because there are weird things on the exam that structural engineers don't get into.

https://www.amazon.com/Civil-Engine...+engineering+reference+manual+for+the+pe+exam

Turn through the pages and tab it.

Show up for the exam.

You will pass.

Celebrate.

Seriously though, I don't remember a single question I wasn't sure of the answer. I might have missed some, but I would have bet the farm on almost all of them. Some were plug and chug.

 

[KootK]

Sweet, my wife's got a 2007 edition of that I can appropriate for the greater good.

I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.

 

[mike20793]

I studied a total of 20 hours for the PE civil structural and passed no problem. Most of my time was spent working on the morning problems and the rest was finding where things are in the reference manual. I didn't study structural at all. I agree, it's a joke.

 

[jayrod12]

You could probably just direct the registration people to this site and your username. Your seal would be on your doorstep the following week.

 

[TehMightyEngineer]

Will they let you get a temporary stamp for a one-time job? I know some states have more lax requirements for the temp stamps.

I'm in the same boat for NJ where I took the 16 hour SE in lieu of the PE exam.

Professional and Structural Engineer (ME, NH, MA)
American Concrete Industries

http://www.americanconcrete.com

 

[bookowski]

hanging out your shingle?

 

[DaveAtkins]

Sweet, my wife's got a 2007 edition of that I can appropriate for the greater good.

Your wife must be an engineer...or a nut! Why else would someone have that book

My wife (not an engineer) reads murder mysteries. If I gave her an engineering exam study guide to read, she would probably throw it back at me

DaveAtkins

 

[firstoption]

So... kinda need my Oregon PE/SE for some work that I've got on the go. By virtue of previous efforts in California and Washington, I meet all of the requirements save one:

In Oregon you have to be a PE before you can be an SE. And you can't be an SE unless you've taken the civil version of the PE exam and only the civil version. I took the Stuctures I exam for my PE back when that used to be an option but Oregon won't accept that.

If there's anyone else out there who's dealt with this, I'd love to hear about your experience. If I have to go back to square two (I do have FE), it's going to make for a rather unpleasant/unprofitable fall season for KootK. KootK no like.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.

looks like not many aren't going through what you are.

The PE (civil - structural) really was a joke. Super basic. But if memory serves well, the Civil-only might be pretty tough. I remember thinking that I failed the FE when i took Civil-only because i literally had to Christmas tree most of the afternoon test.


I previously studied for the SE, went through the whole PPI SE book (even have a masters) and i just gave up.
I don't think i need it in FL, it seemed like such a drag, and its so expensive.

 

[SLTA]

KootK - I will say that it's worth studying up on water, surveying, environmental, etc - there was a lot on the civil-structural that I just never learned in school. I agree that it's a much easier test than the SE, but a basic review will still be a good idea.

I second the CERM. The practice problems book is also a good idea.

Ugh, and good luck.

Please remember: we're not all guys!

 

[WARose]

Will what you need to stamp require a SE? Back in 2014 they told me that they had been granting comity (as a civil) based on passing the SE I alone. But as such you would be limited to stamping structures below a certain height, occupancy, etc.

 

[KootK]

@Nick, Mike, and First option: thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm going to do as you've recommended. Namely, take a near zero study hours run at it. I'd like to know, however, how long had you guys each been out of undergrad when you wrote the Civil PE? It'll sixteen years for me.

Will they let you get a temporary stamp for a one-time job? I know some states have more lax requirements for the temp stamps.

I'll ask TME, that's an excellent suggestion.

You could probably just direct the registration people to this site and your username. Your seal would be on your doorstep the following week.

I bloody wish. Maybe you should join me for the exam up in Edmonton in October? We'll do it up modified wolf of wall-street style. You know: hookers, blow, Reverse Polish Notation, and intense suffering. I've got a business proposition that I'll eventually need to run by you anyhow.

hanging out your shingle?

Yep. I swore that I'd do it by 35 so I'm already several years behind schedule. I figure that one should do it early enough that, if you tank, you can still go back to a 9-5 and have enough time left on the clock to eek out a modest retirement. Plus, my gal just made partner at an outfit where that is quite lucrative. To celebrate, I brought home some wine and the news that I'd be sponging off her for the foreseeable future.

Your wife must be an engineer..

A structural engineer no less. It has pluses and minuses. She's more the managerial type while I tend to focus on the intense technical things that clients don't care about at all.

I will say that it's worth studying up on water, surveying, environmental, etc - there was a lot on the civil-structural that I just never learned in school.

These were my wife's comments verbatim. She graduated from one of those nifty architectural engineering schools (MSOE). As far as I can tell, the curriculum is actually an improvement over civil if you know that you're headed to building structural anyhow. And yes... Ugh! I thought that I'd pretty much done it all and could finally rest my weary bones and inferior NCEES approved calculators.

Will what you need to stamp require a SE? Back in 2014 they told me that they had been granting comity (as a civil) based on passing the SE I alone.

Just some curtain wall / sculpture stuff. They actually told me the same thing back in 2010. They said that they wouldn't commit to it in writing but SEI was going through on commity reviews. At the time, I still had a lot of licensing work to do in WA and CA which I considered to be bigger fish. Figured I'd circle back to OR afterwards if I saw any logic doing so. I've yet to do anything in WA and CA and now all of a sudden I've got two projects and a client who's killing it in Oregon. But, of course, now the comity option is gone and SEI is black listed.

I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.

 

[msquared48]

I find it hard to believe that OR would refuse you when CA accepted you. CA is far, far more restrictive seismically.

Is your home base CA?

There have to be other "issues"...

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)

 

[Lomarandil]

Mike, you're assuming the state boards are staffed by engineers, or at the very least, logical persons.

And KootK is from the other CA (bigger, colder, doesn't make me pull my hair out to drive a car there).

 

[KootK]

Let's see:

1) Canadian citizen currently based in Canada.
2) I used to pay child support but there were no delinquencies.
3) My NCEES record is in a state of utter disarray thanks to the system "upgrade".
4) that pesky registered sex offender thing.
5) Did fail WA SE III twice.

I was a walk through with Sacranento once I got all he right boxes checked.


I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.

 

[msquared48]

Still can't spell Sacramento, huh?

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)

 

[canwesteng]

Spelt Sacranento in Canadian english