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Profile of a Surface w/ All-Around Modifier and Position question

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Morgama

Aerospace
Feb 19, 2018
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Hello Everyone,

I have at least two questions about a drawing that is coming my way soon, possibly more depending on what comes from this. A little background on myself, I've been working as an inspector for about two years now and I think that I have a basic understanding of GD&T, but I'm always learning and trying to understanding things more. A drawing very similar to this came across my desk a few days ago with a question on the GD&T as applied.

I have a couple of questions about what I thought that I knew, one being about the all-around modifier to the profile FCF. Would the modifier, in this case, work to include the cylinders that are protruding from the side of the part. I thought that the profile applied to everything in that view of the drawing, especially with the all around modifier, but am not sure because they are separate features. I look to Y14.5-2009 and see that a profile is an outline made up of one or more features.

8.2 PROFILE
A profile is an outline of a surface, a shape made up
of one or more features, or a two-dimensional element
of one or more features. Profile tolerances are used to
define a tolerance zone to control form or combinations
of size, form, orientation, and location of a feature(s)
relative to a true profile.

I have a colleague who says that the profile would only apply to the block and not to the cylinders.

The second question that I have is regarding the position FCF on the cylinders. It seems to me that they are missing a full 6 DOF constraint, because there is nothing to stop the rotation around the Datum B axis. Is this a compliant callout per Y14.5-2009?

I do have to say that I'm glad to be here, I've lurked for quite awhile and have read many awesome posts relating to questions that I have had in the past. Thanks to anyone wishing to chime in.

~Matt
 
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Those are great points. Yes, you need to be careful and understand exactly what a gage would accept/reject based upon position of minor diameter. I was just trying to think of ways that you could gage without the projected TZ modifier. I'm thinking of instances where the process tolerance is much tighter than the required part tolerance.
 
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