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Pilot seat/cockpit dimensions.
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RS...
Assist & Every spec have the MS33574 'notes' section chopped-in-half. DANG. I submitted a request to ASSIST to re-scan the spec due to this problem.
See attached [my old copy].
NOTE. There are [4] standard cockpit dimensions, MS33573-thru-76, thus...
MS33573 [CX] DIMENSIONS, CLEARANCE, COCKPIT FIXED WING AIRCRAFT
MS33574 [CX] DIMENSIONS, BASIC, COCKPIT, STICK-CONTROLLED, FIXED WING AIRCRAFT
MS33575 [CX] DIMENSIONS, BASIC, COCKPIT, HELICOPTER [MIL-STD-1333]
MS33576 [CX] DIMENSIONS, BASIC, COCKPIT, WHEEL CONTROLLED, FIXED WING AIRCRAFT
There are also other documents with relevant cockpit dimensions for MIL aircraft that I am familiar with.
Regards, Wil Taylor
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Assist & Every spec have the MS33574 'notes' section chopped-in-half. DANG. I submitted a request to ASSIST to re-scan the spec due to this problem.
See attached [my old copy].
NOTE. There are [4] standard cockpit dimensions, MS33573-thru-76, thus...
MS33573 [CX] DIMENSIONS, CLEARANCE, COCKPIT FIXED WING AIRCRAFT
MS33574 [CX] DIMENSIONS, BASIC, COCKPIT, STICK-CONTROLLED, FIXED WING AIRCRAFT
MS33575 [CX] DIMENSIONS, BASIC, COCKPIT, HELICOPTER [MIL-STD-1333]
MS33576 [CX] DIMENSIONS, BASIC, COCKPIT, WHEEL CONTROLLED, FIXED WING AIRCRAFT
There are also other documents with relevant cockpit dimensions for MIL aircraft that I am familiar with.
Regards, Wil Taylor
o Trust - But Verify!
o We believe to be true what we prefer to be true. [Unknown]
o For those who believe, no proof is required; for those who cannot believe, no proof is possible. [variation,Stuart Chase]
o Unfortunately, in science what You 'believe' is irrelevant. ["Orion", Homebuiltairplanes.com forum]
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MIL-STD-203 Aircrew Station Controls
MIL-STD-850 Aircrew Vision
MIL-STD-1333 Aircraft station geometry
MIL-STD-1776 AIRCREW STATION AND PASSENGER ACCOMMODATIONS (S/S BY JSSG-2010) {locked in ASSIST}
MIL-STD-1472 Human Engineering
DOD-HDBK-743 Anthropometry of US Military Personnel
MIL-STD-850 Aircrew Vision
MIL-STD-1333 Aircraft station geometry
MIL-STD-1776 AIRCREW STATION AND PASSENGER ACCOMMODATIONS (S/S BY JSSG-2010) {locked in ASSIST}
MIL-STD-1472 Human Engineering
DOD-HDBK-743 Anthropometry of US Military Personnel
RS... Interesting project!
Be cautious... especially if NOT MIL... the requirement for tandem MIL cockpits requires the GIB be elevated significantly, so they could see-forward over the GIF... resulting in a huge cross-section height... many complications.
BTW... several MIL Acft cockpit arrangements are also [somewhere] in the AFSC Design Handbooks [DHs].
NOTE.
In 1980s I [me] designed a single-seat [opt 2-seat] light attack jet... but did not fully adopt the MIL cockpit depth and visibility requirements/constraints... since that would have boosted the cross-section height way-too-much for a compact/LW attack jet. In today's deign world, the T-38 arrangement is completely unacceptable... as evidenced by the cockpit arrangement for the 'MIL-spec' T-7A Red Hawk.
The back seat 'space' was occupied by (a) light gun system... firing below belly, on centerline W/ ammo canister in the cockpit isolated from the pilot; or (b) aft cockpit for an instructor/observer [GIF/GIB in light-weight ejection seats]. The aft cockpit was a pain to get into W/O a side-opening canopy... and I was forced to go-to thru-canopy ejection. Aft cockpit area was very close to the Acft CG so that helped W/ W&B. Arrangement was very tight/compact.
Regards, Wil Taylor
o Trust - But Verify!
o We believe to be true what we prefer to be true. [Unknown]
o For those who believe, no proof is required; for those who cannot believe, no proof is possible. [variation,Stuart Chase]
o Unfortunately, in science what You 'believe' is irrelevant. ["Orion", Homebuiltairplanes.com forum]
Be cautious... especially if NOT MIL... the requirement for tandem MIL cockpits requires the GIB be elevated significantly, so they could see-forward over the GIF... resulting in a huge cross-section height... many complications.
BTW... several MIL Acft cockpit arrangements are also [somewhere] in the AFSC Design Handbooks [DHs].
NOTE.
In 1980s I [me] designed a single-seat [opt 2-seat] light attack jet... but did not fully adopt the MIL cockpit depth and visibility requirements/constraints... since that would have boosted the cross-section height way-too-much for a compact/LW attack jet. In today's deign world, the T-38 arrangement is completely unacceptable... as evidenced by the cockpit arrangement for the 'MIL-spec' T-7A Red Hawk.
The back seat 'space' was occupied by (a) light gun system... firing below belly, on centerline W/ ammo canister in the cockpit isolated from the pilot; or (b) aft cockpit for an instructor/observer [GIF/GIB in light-weight ejection seats]. The aft cockpit was a pain to get into W/O a side-opening canopy... and I was forced to go-to thru-canopy ejection. Aft cockpit area was very close to the Acft CG so that helped W/ W&B. Arrangement was very tight/compact.
Regards, Wil Taylor
o Trust - But Verify!
o We believe to be true what we prefer to be true. [Unknown]
o For those who believe, no proof is required; for those who cannot believe, no proof is possible. [variation,Stuart Chase]
o Unfortunately, in science what You 'believe' is irrelevant. ["Orion", Homebuiltairplanes.com forum]
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