Origin of CIVIL engineering.... 7

[HTURKAK]

First time poster long time membership..

Just for curious, what is the reason that the other engineers call us CIVIL ? While we are civil engineers , are they Military ? Why do they call us CIVIL ENGINEERS ?..

May be i should write this post to civil engineering group but traffic is more crowded in this forum..

 

[oldestguy]

OK, what about the word "engineer"? I haven't built or designed any engines? Maybe a lack of another word, such as "worker" "designer".

 

[1503-44]

Derived from "ingenio" or genius. You are a genius, except that you need to read all posts in this thread, as that's already been stated.

Reality used to affect the way we thought. Now we somehow believe that what we think affects reality.

 

[dauwerda]

Here is a pretty detailed history of the word:

https://interestingengineering.com/the-origin-of-the-word-engineering

 

[HTURKAK]

If we look to the end user, the other engineers also should be called CIVIL except the engineers practicing military purpose.


I looked to the website of The Society of American Military Engineers . They are also nice people..

https://www.same.org/

 

[r13]

HTURKAK,

We are all "civilian engineers" with different disciplines, unless you are serving in the military, and with the military as the sole end user of your service.

 

[kipfoot]

civil: : of, relating to, or involving the general public, their activities, needs, or ways, or civic affairs as distinguished from special (such as military or religious) affairs

It's just an adjective. Roads, dams, drainage systems, sewer systems, water supply; all related to the needs of the general public.

 

[HTURKAK]

Just for curious, is there another discipline for religious works? I did not hear religious engineering.

 

[dauwerda]

HTURKAK, I believe that is how it originally was, but with all things, it morphed and changed. As society advanced and more things were being "engineered" other types of engineering (specialty) professions were born. So, the name civil stuck to what had been traditionally engineered (roads, dams, buildings, etc.) and new names were created for the new specialties, i.e. electrical and mechanical. A historic civil engineer would not have been involved with engineering electrical systems as electrical systems didn't exist. A historic civil engineer would have engineered limited mechanisms but nothing like what we have today which really started during the industrial revolution. Rather than use the blanket of civil to capture all of the new specialties (as a "civil" engineer was much more the norm than a "military" engineer by that time), society simply gave them new names.

That is at least my understanding of the history of the profession (and it's names)...

 

[kingnero]

religious engineering

Is that where you pray it keeps standing?
Like the fictitious large cantilevered building in the structural forum?

 

[kipfoot]

I did not hear religious engineering.

My link is to the general definition of the word 'civil', to show it's not just an engineering term.

 

[HTURKAK]

I read your comment yesterday and looked to web for the cantilevered building standing with prayers rather than the rules of structural mechanics..

One of the possible outcome;

 

[kingnero]

If I were a religious man, that's indeed something I'd pray for. That no one gets inside, underneath, or anywhere near that monstrosity.

That that thing is stable, amazes me many times more than this one:

https://lawofhigherpotential.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/victor-enrich-a1.jpg

The latter is not completely unfathomable, the former, well, I don't want to go there...

 

[HTURKAK]

https://lawofhigherpotential.files.wordpress.com/2...[/URL]
The latter is not completely unfathomable, the former, well, I don't want to go there...]

The picture at the link in your post is a digitally manipulated image that transformed photos into architectural illusions. Artist Victor Enrich has been working for this kind of digitally manipulated images.

Look to the link for more images;

https://www.archdaily.com/780381/victor-enrich-tra...

But , the picture that i have posted is a real building...

 

[kingnero]

Perhaps what I wrote wasn't what I had in my mind (not a native English speaker), but what you say is what I meant.
The Enrich building is much more believable than your picture.