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JohnRBaker
Mechanical
Exactly what do you mean by "add a new tool bars"? Are you using the new Ribbon interface?
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
IF you rignt click in the background around the ribbon, and go to customize, you should be in business.
You might start by making a new tab and bringing in your old toolbars as groups, for example.
If you want to customize using text files instead of interactively, get a copy of SFB-NX-7793 from GTAC, which discusses migrating from toolbars to the ribbon, and has a link to a great document available for download.
Mark Rief
Product Manager
Siemens PLM
You might start by making a new tab and bringing in your old toolbars as groups, for example.
If you want to customize using text files instead of interactively, get a copy of SFB-NX-7793 from GTAC, which discusses migrating from toolbars to the ribbon, and has a link to a great document available for download.
Mark Rief
Product Manager
Siemens PLM
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JohnRBaker
Mechanical
While the option that TomMtz has pointed out is fully supported and is provided so that users can still use NX with a pre-NX 9.0 user interface, may I advise all of you to NOT become to content with running NX 9.0 in the so-called 'Classic' mode as those days are numbered. You're safe for NX 9.0 and NX 10.0, but after that, ALL BETS ARE OFF!!!
Now you can never say that you were not warned :-0
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
Now you can never say that you were not warned :-0
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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JohnRBaker
Mechanical
And if the people who make buying decisions when it comes to major software purchases deems whatever this "new scheme" is as being the way they expect all new and modern software products should look and feel like, then I guess we'll have no choice but to consider making yet another change.
Trust me, contrary to what you might think, the changes in the UI that we have made over the years (and remember that I've seen 36+ years of those changes) not one of them were undertaken based solely on a decision by our developers or even our management, just for the sake of making changes. Everyone of them was based on pressure from the software marketplace and as a result of changes made by either hardware or software vendors who's efforts were seen as setting a new standard in what people came to expect when purchasing a new piece of software. And while we would like to think that we're some sort of pioneer in much of what is eeen as the PLM industry, in the area of User Interfaces, we have generally only taken-on making changes AFTER it had already become obvious that to not do so would have been detrimental to our being able to continue to win new business or to retain those customers which we had already sold our software products to. The 'cost' of making User Interface changes is NOT limited to just the 'retraining' costs borne by of customers but also by our company in both the development effort itself, but also in the internal 'retraining' costs as well what it cost to update user documentation and training materials used by our instructors. We never start one of these efforts without a very careful consideration of all of the 'players' who will be impacted or what sorts of costs will have to be covered, but to not do so would also result in 'costs' as well and these are also a part of this equation.
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
Trust me, contrary to what you might think, the changes in the UI that we have made over the years (and remember that I've seen 36+ years of those changes) not one of them were undertaken based solely on a decision by our developers or even our management, just for the sake of making changes. Everyone of them was based on pressure from the software marketplace and as a result of changes made by either hardware or software vendors who's efforts were seen as setting a new standard in what people came to expect when purchasing a new piece of software. And while we would like to think that we're some sort of pioneer in much of what is eeen as the PLM industry, in the area of User Interfaces, we have generally only taken-on making changes AFTER it had already become obvious that to not do so would have been detrimental to our being able to continue to win new business or to retain those customers which we had already sold our software products to. The 'cost' of making User Interface changes is NOT limited to just the 'retraining' costs borne by of customers but also by our company in both the development effort itself, but also in the internal 'retraining' costs as well what it cost to update user documentation and training materials used by our instructors. We never start one of these efforts without a very careful consideration of all of the 'players' who will be impacted or what sorts of costs will have to be covered, but to not do so would also result in 'costs' as well and these are also a part of this equation.
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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Friends
I agree with JohnRBaker, the change is unavoidable, and we need to prepare for the new tendences. This case is only a way to work quickly but the responsability of all of us is keep us updated.
Best regards
Tom
NX 9.0 WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE
I agree with JohnRBaker, the change is unavoidable, and we need to prepare for the new tendences. This case is only a way to work quickly but the responsability of all of us is keep us updated.
Best regards
Tom
NX 9.0 WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE
John, I am all with you in all aspects and have a full understanding of the market "rules" and the accompanied costs, both on Siemens side as well as our , the customer, side.
And as you say between the lines, "we have to follow the stream".
My rant is really not against Siemens, but MicroS..
The sad thing is that Microsoft has launched a completely new scheme which isn't better by nature than the previous UIF. Now Siemens has overcame a number of the weaknesses in this, by for example the command finder, by allowing extensive customization, keeping the "old text menu structure" etc etc.
I am not that happy about "making changes for the sake of the change", -If the change doesn't enhance the product, don't fix it.
Another note on the Ribbon bar compared to the "Old text menu structure" ( thank god it still exists in NX9...) is phone support, imagine trying to aid somebody on the ribbon bar over the phone,: "Now there should be a tab named xx ,- is there ? , ok you have to right click and enable the tab, in that there should be a square with a tiny arrow, no, -the arrow should should point down, click that arrow, -what does it read, -no you have to find another arrow, and so on...
Whilst in the "old text menu structure" one can write or say things like: Insert - Associative copy - Instance Geometry - Mirror etc etc.
Regards,
Tomas
And as you say between the lines, "we have to follow the stream".
My rant is really not against Siemens, but MicroS..
The sad thing is that Microsoft has launched a completely new scheme which isn't better by nature than the previous UIF. Now Siemens has overcame a number of the weaknesses in this, by for example the command finder, by allowing extensive customization, keeping the "old text menu structure" etc etc.
I am not that happy about "making changes for the sake of the change", -If the change doesn't enhance the product, don't fix it.
Another note on the Ribbon bar compared to the "Old text menu structure" ( thank god it still exists in NX9...) is phone support, imagine trying to aid somebody on the ribbon bar over the phone,: "Now there should be a tab named xx ,- is there ? , ok you have to right click and enable the tab, in that there should be a square with a tiny arrow, no, -the arrow should should point down, click that arrow, -what does it read, -no you have to find another arrow, and so on...
Whilst in the "old text menu structure" one can write or say things like: Insert - Associative copy - Instance Geometry - Mirror etc etc.
Regards,
Tomas
JohnRBaker
Mechanical
Toost said:
By then, it'll be someone else's responsibility to explain what and why we've done whatever it is that we'll have done ;-)
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
"It is, by nature, an engineers' job to resist change. We do not like change, it 'slows us down'."
Reality check... I found the ribbon interface difficult at first however stick with it, take the time to learn all the customization tricks you can use, you'll find it MUCH faster to use than pull-down menus, I did. I have been through a number of UI changes on different CAD systems and this has been by far the easiest transition (for me).
Reality check... I found the ribbon interface difficult at first however stick with it, take the time to learn all the customization tricks you can use, you'll find it MUCH faster to use than pull-down menus, I did. I have been through a number of UI changes on different CAD systems and this has been by far the easiest transition (for me).
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HercalloY
Mechanical
- Oct 9, 2007
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deedub777 said:
There's your problem right there! Using a drawing board is faster then using pulldown menu's! But the issue isn't the issue of comparing Ribbon with PullDowns. Its comparing with ToolBars. And there is no way in hell its quicker then those. Its impossible (simply because your having to do more work with the clicker). Now i don't want to get into the whole debate as we've been there done that in an NX9 thread and i (and a few others) made the points very clear of what slows "The Ribbon" down and it is irrefutable. And as J.B. explained (eventually).. its a decision based not on actual usability. Of course having said all that Siemen's is by far the best ever first implementation of the Ribbon i have ever seen (hell, it beats most 50th implementations i've seen!). Which just makes it bearable to use for someone that gets real sick of clicking way more then one needs to (read: for pointless reasons).
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JohnRBaker
Mechanical
As a follow-up to my earlier comment on the fact that Siemens PLM will only be supporting the option to revert to the so-called 'classic' toolbar User Interface through NX 10.0, for those of you with access to the GTAC support site, there is a Software Field Bulletin (SFB-NX-7793 issued on November 22, 2013) which articulates this in more detail. In other words, it makes this the official position of the company and not just something I included in a comment as part of a response to someone's question on a public forum.
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
I was a full screen mode use in NX 7.5 I used the alt button and the scroll wheel on my mouse to glide between the menus with ease and ulta efficiency and I, this has become less efficient in 9 as I can't see what menu is coming next without clickin on the top to deplay the ribbon. Word, Excel, Power point, Publisher have a couple of hundred commands between them, NX has 3500 live commands, I'd prefer to be a shepherd rather than a sheep.
Watch this video and tell me if this isn't the model of simplicity it's self. such a shame.
Best regards
Simon NX 7.5.4.4 MP8 and NX 8.5 (native) - TC 8
Watch this video and tell me if this isn't the model of simplicity it's self. such a shame.
Best regards
Simon NX 7.5.4.4 MP8 and NX 8.5 (native) - TC 8
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