New Tech Motorcycle or BS

[thruthefence]

The traffic on this forum is much better then the Motorcycle one

http://panthermotorcycle.com/Home.html

so far, nothing but CG pics, no metal cut

comments

 

[MikeHalloran]

No engineers in the org chart. Funny.




Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

 

[swall]

Recent history has been rife with failed or outright fraudulent new motorcycle company start-ups. Indian--at least 3 times, as well as Hesketh and Excelsior, both one shot deals. The only ones that are a going concerns, are Victory, by Polaris and the new Triumph.

 

[321GO]

To me, the electric bike/car is nothing more than a bubble.

Sure an electric motor is far more efficient than any gasoline engine, but most electric energy WILL be produced by coal plants that are not much more efficient than the gasoline engine itself.

What i'm i missing?

 

[SomptingGuy]

You are missing the non-rigid frame and the unorthodox (for a bike) suspension, which apply to the ICE-powered models too.

- Steve

 

[321GO]

@SomptingGuy,

ok, maybe for this particular concept.

But that has nothing to do with the electric concept that is preaced on the front page.

My doubts remain about the glorified electric part.

 

[BrianPetersen]

The front suspension looks like it copies BMW's Paralever front end, although rather than hiding the arm like BMW does, they put it on display. But, the steering geometry looks like it has extremely excessive rake. What appears to be a parallel upper-and-lower trailing arm rear suspension shows what I would say is a lack of understanding about anti-squat forces that are associated with a normal trailing-swing-arm suspension. Maybe there is something in the design that we don't see in the illustrations - notably, I can't see a picture of the left side. BMW shaft-drive models use an upper link to compensate for the differing forces associated with the shaft drive, but it's not parallel to the main swing-arm.

I ain't buying into it.

 

[321GO]

the renderings are top notch though..

 

[jmw]

How comfortable?
Looks nice to CG geeks but that flat frame with what looks like a super jumbo nut just where the knee might rest.....

JMW

http://www.ViscoAnalyser.com

 

[jmw]

PS, I get very wary of web sites with lots of high grade Web Design and top end graphics but little else to show for it. I also get suspicious when they try to do too much... not just electric and fossil fuel electric hybrids but fancy frames, suspension and so on. The magician is trying to make you look where he wants you to look and not where the rabbit is being hidden.

JMW

http://www.ViscoAnalyser.com

 

[GregLocock]

Try too much? I'm sure the mugs who invest will appreciate the hours of effort that went into the website for which the founders are paying themselves $600000 pa.



Cheers

Greg Locock


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[WGJ]

I wouldn'thave thought a 1000cc turbo-diesel single cylinder would have been at home in a motor-cycle.

I notice that 'corrosion proof' connecting rods are used and that the gasoline fuel injection system is 'sequential' - on the two-cylinder versions, I presume.

Bill

 

[SomptingGuy]

The PDFs are fun to read too. Technical terms such as "quite a bit" sing out.

I notice that the intake valve actually opens before the exhaust valve has completely closed. They should apply for a patent for that.

Has anyone else read the Drivetrain PDF? I just loved the bit on gear ratios. I always thought vehicle speed was proportional to engine speed for a given gear ratio and no slippage.

- Steve

 

[ivymike]

"quite a lot" to wonder about on the transmission. I plotted the engine speed vs. vehicle speed (attachment). Must be an interesting device.

 

[WGJ]

I have printed many copies of various pages of the website and I shall be taking them home tonight to shred and then to fertilise my tomato plants. They need a feed.

Bill

 

[321GO]

The amount and quality of the 3D in the PDF's is unreal.

Baffling to me...

 

[ivymike]

probably an arts school class project.

 

[jmw]

Did anyone see anything about prototypes having being built and tested? I didn't.
Nice organisation chart though and an a nice appeal for partners/investors.
I see Steorn are still there and offering equipment for sale.... not that I mean to draw any comparisons....

JMW

http://www.ViscoAnalyser.com

 

[AviatorJim]

I want in on this deal. Who can I send a check to?

 

[321GO]

At least no actual material was sacrificed