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Most (all?) hybrids and BEVs have a 12V (or 16V) battery. Why?

VectorBear

Electrical
May 5, 2025
10
For standby (car powered down), why not have a low quiescent power traction voltage to 12V converter to power standby peripherals such as RFID key fob detector, security system, door locks, computer when the car initially powers up, etc. Once the car does power up, immediately the traction contactor closes and turns on the larger (100-200W?) converter to not only power all of the running 12V system but charge that 12V battery.
Usual arguments are silly: no isolation of traction voltages (converter can be before contactor, with its own protection), drain on traction pack (50-100kWh can handle a few W for a very long time), safety if traction pack fails (but what if 12V system fails in a collision? in the same boat), status quo AKA legacy (time for a new status quo).
So why not replace the 12V battery with a low power, low quiescent power traction voltage to 12V converter to run standby systems?
 
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Ah, the sample of one. Look at the other vehicles and see if there is any sign of corrosion on any of the cars around you.
Anticorrosion in the past 20-30 years has become so good that very few vehicles in our road salt belt have visible corrosion. It really isn't a problem anymore. However, body damage will corrode quite well, most often visible corrosion on vehicles is at a visible dent or deep scratch.
 
Right. Sure. In New York state a typical car lasts less than 12 years before the frame/underside rots out; that is if eating through the electronics modules doesn't finish it off first. The reason you may not see cars with visible corrosion is that the ones that have corroded are scrapped.

Still, why are car makers passing on this great idea to save so much money on their electric vehicles?

Is the real reason that they aren't smart enough?

So far no reason is good enough, apparently. It must be a conspiracy.
 
A couple of searches for average lfespan of cars in Canada says about 12 years but due to mileage of >300k km (why don't we say 300Mm?). None of the results mention corrosion, there is mention of longer times. Search "what is the average lifespan of a car in canada" or salty region of choice.
Please, drop any secret plans, stick to verifiable info.
 
Please, get hired by a car maker and show them how wrong they are.
 

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