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Minimum Pipe Diameter Given pressure and flow rate

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Nathan Snider

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Hi this is my first time posting, I just finished my first year of mechanical engineering and I'm at my first co-op placement. I'm trying to find out the minimum pipe diameter required to support 325 feet of 100psi pipe carrying 0.4% CO, 30% CO2, 69.6% Nitrogen. The pipeline is regulated down from 2200psi to 100psi at the start then has 14 outlets that will each require a flow of 500L/m. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot!
 
Please, Nathan, NEVER fall into the trap of specifying a pressure of "100 psi". This lazy terminology will always beg the question "is that 100 psia or 100 psig? If it is psig what is the local atmospheric pressure?" Avoid that predictable dialog by being careful to say "psia" or "psig and local atmospheric pressure is 12.3 psia".

There are a lot of ways to approach this, and all of them are (to varying degrees) wrong. It is basically an HVAC branch problem. The difficulty is accounting for exit losses into each of the branches.

My approach (that works, but doesn't give you the absolute minimum) is to size the trunk as though the entire flow was making it to the end with adequate pressure (you didn't say what the expected pressure at the branches had to be, more information leads to better help). Let's say that you can only tolerate 0.25 psid in the trunk. I'd go to the isothermal gas flow equation and find the standard pipe diameter (rated for 2200 psig) that gives me less than 0.25 psid. At 100 psig it is unlikely that the process would benefit from a tapered header like you often see in HVAC systems (which run at very low pressure).

I know that in most engineering programs empirical fluid mechanics problems are frowned upon (and mostly absent). In real life engineering we use empirical equations almost exclusively. If you want to end up as an effective engineer, you should temper the (mostly useless) theoretical engineering stuff that you're learning in school with a strong dose of how stuff really works. Buy a copy of Crane Technical Publication 510, Cameron Hydraulics, and the GPSA Field Engineering Data book. Buy them now, with your own money. Don't loan them out. I recently sat down and thought "what do I wish I had known when I was starting out?" Things like the fact that there are almost no closed form fluid mechanics equations and how do I pick one empirical equation over another? So I wrote a book Practical Onshore Gas Field Engineering that addresses as many of these issues as I could get into 600 pages. Take a look at it, it could be useful temporizing the ivory tower stuff that you get buried in during your college years and then never use again.

[bold]David Simpson, PE[/bold]
MuleShoe Engineering

In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei, Italian Physicist
 
Daves answer is good but first you need to define your system and preferably use a consistent set of units. Mixing imperial and metric can lead to errors.

with gases you also need to state or think pressure when referring to volumes or velocities.

First draw your system in schematic form with distances between each of your take offs. Are they all at one end or bunched in groups?

Do they all flow together at the same time?

What is the minimum arrival pressure?

How long are your branches?

A network flow problem like this is not a simple easy solution.

Be aware that many online type calculators rely on not much pressure difference from one end to the other.

Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.
 
Thanks a lot guys! looks like I have a bit of work to do.
 
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