Just How Smarter Engineers Are Than Everyone Else 12

[cranky108]

So it goes back to the golden age of classifying people. The preaty baby contests, and the master race ideas.

Seems like a bunch of things from that time seem to be comming back. Can we thank Carl Marx for that also?

 

[drawoh]

cranky108?

Did Carl Marx do racial classification?

JHG

 

[lacajun]

I flunk IQ tests as well as personality tests.

When I was in first grade, I could do third and fifth grade level work. That always dismayed my teacher because I shouldn't have known that stuff. She told me to stop and wait for the appropriate grade. My older sister taught me a lot. She still does. My older brother helped some. It wasn't hard stuff yet there were things my little pea brain couldn't grasp. I don't consider myself to be much above normal. There are many, from all walks of life, who blow me away with their minds and I admire them quite a bit for their pure mental abilities. It's a beautiful thing to see regardless of their station in life.

I'm with Pat and drawoh...

Sincerely,

Stunted Pea Brain

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

 

[FeX32]

This is all predictable (as was stated way above many times). Personal bias is ingrained in humans. Period.


Fe (IronX32)

 

[patprimmer]

Fe

It's pretty strongly implied in the title.

One large factor in measuring IQ which is supposed to be brain power is that it depends on physical attributes that strongly contribute to reading and writing skills.

One factor is fine motor skills.

Our eyes actually focus on a much smaller area than our field of vision and scan like a TV screen to rapidly impress the small images into appropriate on the retina to build the field of vision and continually rebuild it.

Poor fine motor skills slows down the rate we do that and leads to dyslexia or in it's milder forms just slow reading with a tendency to lose your place.

There is a gender bias with this, with a tendency toward boys being worse than girls at fine motor skills but better at gross motor skills. ie reading and writing vs playing football or needle point work vs shovelling earth or assembling fine intricate circuit boards vs lifting 100# transmissions into place.

Good grief, now my evolutionary, hunter/gather based hypothesis will get me into trouble with both genders and the creationist.

hmmmm this might end up appropriate

Everybody hates me, no body loves me

Think I'll eat some worms

Long ones, short ones

fat ones, skinny ones

worms that squiggle and squirm

bite their heads of suck their guts out throw their skins away

nobody knows how much I like my worms

at least three times a day.



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[KENAT]

Hmm, I always thought it was:

Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, think I'm gonna eat worms.

Short fat juicy ones, long thin skinny ones.

Bight off their heads and suck out the juices...

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[FeX32]

haha. I get it Pat.
All the best,




Fe (IronX32)

 

[SNORGY]

Stunted Pea Brain...

Ya, you say you flunk personality tests.

Sorry, I don't buy that for a second.

Good try though.

 

[patprimmer]

But KENAT, being mildly dysleicx, that's how it reads to me.

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[cranky108]

Lacajun, that seems to go along with schools trying to turn lefties into righties.
The schools can't handle anything disruptive like smart kids.

Still I wonder what the orginal purpose of the IQ test was. If not for classifying people for some purpose.

 

[FeX32]

Still I wonder what the orginal purpose of the IQ test was. If not for classifying people for some purpose.

I read a long while ago that it was for testing the intelligence of people in order to deem them viable to be sterilized. No joke.
Back 150 years ago or so.


Fe (IronX32)

 

[dwallace1971]

http://psychology.about.com/od/psychologicaltesting/a/int-history.htm

"On the human scale, the laws of Newtonian Physics are non-negotiable"

 

[lacajun]

bite their heads of suck their guts out throw their skins away

We do that to mudbugs, too! I knew you were Cajun at heart, Pat.

SNORGY, I am as dull as a doorknob. ;-)

cranky108, we have an innate need to categorize people and labels are needed for categories. Of course, some use labels for bad ulterior motives.

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

 

[patprimmer]

I have seen IQ tests I had to do used in two ways.

1) When going from primary school to high school, to determine which subject stream and level or even which school. Unfortunately I was classified as slightly below average and was denied access to high stream maths which was one of my better subjects and was very lucky to be made an exception and allowed to do high stream science.

2) When conscripted for national service I was classified in the top 10%ile and selected for officer training.

Why a jump of about 40%ile. My only explanation is, my eyes felt good and sharp on the second test.

Really significant decisions affecting the rest of my life where made on these once off individual tests with no retesting to confirm repeatability or cross referencing.

I did the higher maths at night school, but it was never as deeply entrenched as the science which was reinforced as the maths was taught for the first time in a catch up scenario. In fact I can still remember most of the science in detail and use it effectively in the field, but the maths I can remember the terminology, but not how to do the complex calcs like simultaneous equations and differentiation.

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[FeX32]

Unfortunately, everyone has a bad day here and there for different reasons. Also unfortunately, most tests don't have "do overs".
Over here we didn't have to take tests to do higher level maths. Just as long as you passed the prerequisite course, it was considered fine.
There were some "competitive tests" related to math though. These were fun and the teacher selected the top 2 students to write them (elementary school, and some grades in HS). I remember these tests being some type of math but in a word problem that really tried to test your fundamental logic and mathematical abilities. I wish I could find some of those problems now to look at them again haha.


Fe (IronX32)

 

[lacajun]

Pat, sorry about the bad experience in school with the denial of advanced math. I like the US system because my experience was like FeX32. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have taken advanced math either. I think people are better off pursuing their interests rather than being forced into a track based on one-time, impersonal exams.

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

 

[patprimmer]

Don't worry Pamela. I pretty well got over it many years ago and did OK most of my working life

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[lacajun]

Pat, you certainly did and how!

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

 

[ZeroExperience]

This is certainly a motivational/ego boost.

 

[imcjoek]

What about those of us humans that don't work just for money (or beer) but for the intelectual enjoyment of it? Doesn't quite fit the bill.

I suspect there is a more subtle reward mechanism going on there. Display of creativity/intellect could arguably be linked to attracting of mates? Is "intellectual enjoyment" the brain's way of getting us to show off?