Incorporating Our Structural Drawings in a Clients Permit Package

[ksellc73]

We submitted drawings to a client for some structural renovations to a building. We'll call them Client A for this question. They are going for permits and are asking for us to "somehow incorporate thier title block, logo, and "Client A Property" notes into our info". I am not understanding why they are asking this and I wanted to gather some information and opinions before I confront them. Is this normal since they have subcontracted out our engineering services and are trying to put a consistent permit package together. Is there a better approach to incorporating my drawing with their permit package? I don't recall ever running into a request like this before.

I should also note that we have been paid for the work and we have worked on projects together before.

 

[klaus.]

Well basically the client has the money and he is putting up the rules.
You take the rule and follow them or you leave the game and somebody else will take you place
Thats the way it works in most countries ...not sure where you are



best regards
Klaus

 

[TheDW]

For the companies that I have worked for that do commercial buildings, we we have taken their title block from revit and used it in our own. It usually includes the architects logo and the owners name. It does make the permit package look better when all the consultants drawings look similar.

I have done some work for a company doing residential design as well, and there we usually used our own title block.

 

[XR250]

I don't know about including their notes into your page. Sounds like a liability problem.
Sometimes I will do that on residential jobs, but have a note under my seal that it pertains to structural items only.

 

[ksellc73]

Thank you for the replies. This project is going to be in Delaware, USA. I think the notes they are referring to are the proprietary notes usually incorporated in a title block below or around the logo. They have given me their title block in CAD. Would it be ok to place my details in their title block and then seal the drawings per their request or should I try to incorporate my logo somehow?

 

[klaus.]

you need to ask the client that question...only he can answer



best regards
Klaus

 

[Once20036]

My company does not have any issues with putting out drawings on a clients title block that do not incorporate our logo.
If the notes are general in nature, I'd have no issues adding the notes.

 

[dik]

As long as his border and titleblock are larger than yours, the work fits, and the project has been done in cad, there should be no problem. You should have a small 'logo' for your own firm to insert on the owner's titleblock. Depending on the number of sheets it might take a couple of hours. Usually when I start a project, I ask the client for titleblock, drafting standards, units, etc.

Should have added, that it's not uncommon to provide drawings on a client border... and I'd be pretty insistent on the company logo being attached.

Dik

 

[klaus.]

the client has to say YES or NO...nothing else matters....




best regards
Klaus

 

[JAE]

Well it does matter to some extent. If the client asks you to put some of his own "design" information on your drawing and asks you to seal it then that could be a violation of the local engineering practice law.

Their title block and logo are not issues or a problem here. Not sure what you mean by "Client A Property" notes.

I agree with dik - you should have your company logo inserted on the sheet somewhere - this is your company's work product, not your's personally...thus the logo is important to imply that your firm is providing the services as a corporation, LLC, partnership, etc.

If there is design work information not done by you on the sheet you can still seal the sheet but designate what your seal is pertaining to or limited to.



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[dik]

JAE:
I'm not sure about it contravening local practice 'rules'; it might. Just think that by sealing the document, you take 'ownership' of any additional notes and you have to 'live' with it. I insist on a company logo, and a 'C of A' stamp (silly Canadian requirement).

Dik

 

[JAE]

dik, what I meant by that is that if someone asks me to put some technical notes, details, etc. on the sheet that I am sealing, and they are of an engineering nature, and I did NOT design them, check them, etc., and I seal the sheet without any qualifications as to what that seal pertains to or doesn't pertain to, then I am sealing an engineering document on which there are items that I did not personally design or had direct supervision over. That is usually, in US states anyway, illegal.



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[dik]

JAE... Thanks

Dik