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Gas leak through a hole in the pipeline
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The attached file describes the process. The hardest part is getting the area of the hole. I've used graph paper and cut out the shape of the hole, then overlaid the hole on graph paper to get an approximate area that I could convert to a diameter.
David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
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David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
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"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"
I forgot to mention that you need to recalculate the mass flow rate for each pressure step (I recalculate for every psig step) and then calculate or estimate the time required between steps.
David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"
David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"
LittleInch
Petroleum
Maybe it's just me, but no leak is acceptable and you should be spending your time fixing the hole?? Unles sit's really small and at the top of the pipe you'll also be getting condensate spraying out from time to time.
Holes only ever get bigger in my experience...
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Also: There's usually a good reason why everyone does it that way
Holes only ever get bigger in my experience...
My motto: Learn something new every day
Also: There's usually a good reason why everyone does it that way
Steady on LI, it may be for a risk assessment. DNV-RP-G101 has some graphs and formulae starting around page 45
Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant
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Steve Jones
Corrosion Management Consultant
All answers are personal opinions only and are in no way connected with any employer.
I had to do this kind of calculation for emissions reporting after an incident (and after fixing the leak).
David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"
David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"
I think Milton Beychok's website has some useful information.
Calculating Accidental Release Flow Rates From Pressurized Gas Systems
Good luck,
Latexman
Technically, the glass is always full - 1/2 air and 1/2 water.
Calculating Accidental Release Flow Rates From Pressurized Gas Systems
Good luck,
Latexman
Technically, the glass is always full - 1/2 air and 1/2 water.
As usual, Milton did some very good work on that link. Thanks for including it. The equations I posted give very similar results with considerable manual intervention (those equations do not have a time component so you have to iterate manually).
David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"
David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
The plural of anecdote is not "data"
LittleInch
Petroleum
Ok, sorry, jumped the gun a bit. There are reasons to know what the flow might be or has been.
This is really good info.
My motto: Learn something new every day
Also: There's usually a good reason why everyone does it that way
This is really good info.
My motto: Learn something new every day
Also: There's usually a good reason why everyone does it that way
Off topic, but the David's mention of sizing the hole with graph paper reminded me of how the electrochemists would determine the area inside the X-Y 'curve' from a polaragraph -
they'd trace the figure on graph paper, cutout the figure with scissors, weigh the paper on a lab balance and compare the weight to a chart they'd made from various weights of cutouts of 1 square, 2 squares, 4 squares, 9 squares, etc. The lab tech used a planimeter to calculate area for Y-t data, but the X-Y data area calc was like my sister making paper dolls.
they'd trace the figure on graph paper, cutout the figure with scissors, weigh the paper on a lab balance and compare the weight to a chart they'd made from various weights of cutouts of 1 square, 2 squares, 4 squares, 9 squares, etc. The lab tech used a planimeter to calculate area for Y-t data, but the X-Y data area calc was like my sister making paper dolls.
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