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CANPRO

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Nov 4, 2010
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A friend of mine is building a house and he recently noticed his foundation walls have started to push inward. I looked at the walls, which had cracked badly and he showed me the line he had strung to measure the deflection of the wall. Three of the four corners of the house have cracks starting in the bottom intersection of the foundation walls and extend diagonally upward the top of the wall. Pictures are attached (left and right referenced from standing in the driveway and looking at the front). The right side wall has moved over 1.5". I don't think the file names are coming through with the link...most of the pictures are along the back right corner and the right side wall.

I told him that the wall can be fixed/braced, whatever needs to be done. But first he needs to determine the cause. I recommended he talk to a Geotechnical Engineer to determine the cause and then I could help with the structural fix.

I have attached a few pictures, a grading plan and the basement plan. Some other relevant information:

•Local Frost Line is 4 feet.
•He described the native soil as a heavy clay.
•The foundation was poured in the fall, it set for 1 week and then was backfilled. He said he took precautions to prevent frost from getting into the ground when he poured the footings and the foundation.
•Shortly after backfilling the ponywalls and first floor were built along with the rest of the house. No significant variations in the foundation noted.
•We have had a couple stints of unseasonably warm and cold temperatures this winter. The mean temperature in the weeks leading up to the noticeable damage was about -6C to -7C.
•The walls are 8" thick poured concrete. He says they put a few bars into the walls but nothing that you could call reinforced.
•Basement has been unheated until he noticed the movement in the walls (a few days ago). The excavator operator said it was likely frost and he should keep the basement heated. He has had a propane heater in the basement since.
•When I was on site, it was around 0C and the previous day was above 0C for most of the day. The ground was very wet.

I wasn't sure if it would be a waste of money for him to talk to the geotech, it seems likely the damage is from the frost. I don't know much about clay and thought that might complicate the problem/fix. I figured at the very least the problem would be properly documented.

I am looking for opinions on what you think could be the likely cause. I would also like to know if anyone knows how the lateral force produced from frost compares to the vertical force.

 
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@SkillsAndBikes- I always wonder why the code defines the height based on the interior slab when it should be measured from top of footing. Due to shrinkage or expansion joint material, the slab provide little, if any, restraint to the wall.
 
Excel,

I don't agree. A pretty small amount of movement you can respectable restraint from the slab on grade. The expansion joint material does need to compress a little, but takes real load. The only other things you have are sliding on the bottom of the footing and passive to resist the loads at the base. You will load up the s.o.g./joint filler long before you get anything resembling passive resistance. The s.o.g. shrinkage is spread out over the area of the slab, but again, you need much more movement to get any passive resistance so the slab is going to do the work anyway. Just my opinion of course
 
...the slab provide little, if any, restraint...
more importantly, due to construction sequencing, the interior slab on grade that is supposed to provide some lateral bracing may not have been poured or cured yet when the foundation wall was backfilled. Also, no idea of what type of material or compaction that was provided on the interior side of the footing, below the slab. So the deflection and cracking could still could have started during construction and then made worse by crappy backfill and poor drainage management
 
@Dcarr

I have never seen a slab tight against a basement wall.
As such, friction and passive pressure must be taking care of it.
I always specify a 6 mil poly bond breaker in lieu of expansion joint material.
That way I only have to worry about approximately 1/8" of movement before the slab hits the wall. (Maybe 1/4" if they added a ton of water to the concrete)
Between slab shrinkage and expansion joint material compression, you are asking for a lot of potential movement.
 
CEL, I wouldn't go as far to say that the foundation was designed, it was drawn by a CAD technician. Unfortunately for my friend, I think this turned into a "perfect storm" of "we've always done it this way".

I understand where you were coming from with your previous comments, I've been reading this forum for a few years now and it is fairly common for people to come here looking for detailed solutions rather than a discussion of the problem. And it often seems that these people are in over their heads without much support. I'm fortunate enough to have great mentorship at work and I ran this problem by a few people knowing I would have to the solution approved by them eventually anyway. I came here for some other perspectives. Coincidentally, the same night I was out talking to my friend about this problem my application was finalized and I became a fully licensed Engineer.

I would still be interested in hearing where people think the CAD company's liability is in all of this, since as far as I can tell they clearly show a wall section that has no chance of meeting code.
 
Excel,

The expansion material doesn't flatten completely, so it takes some load pretty early on. Friction/cohesion may be doing work, but passive is not. You can't mobilize passive resistance without movement. I would agree I have never seen a joint fully closed either, but I have also seen that joint material in hundreds of buildings without ever a problem.

The problem with the 6 mil is due to roughness in walls due to forms and such the slabs are interlocked to a degree that can lead to cracking. In my neck of the woods, that type of separation doesn't work well with expansive soils. But like most engineering there are different ways to skin the cat and they all work about the same.

 
Congratulations CanPRO! Well done!!!

I used this site extensively while in my internship, and continue to learn as much from it as I contribute to it... I never had my handle changed, however, I just signed up under the new one. My previous account was YoungStructural, just didn't seem right to keep using it after ten years of doing this work.

As to the liability of the CAD company, that depends on their scope. Were they just drawing this under directions, or are they the designer of record under Part 9 and with the Building Authority? First is nearly no liability unless they erred, second case is nearly complete liability.
 
CEL,
I thought your posts looked familiar, and now I know why. I think you should amalgamate your contributions to the forums. Management can do that, by bringing your YS postings into your new identity.

How is life treating you back in Canada?
 
Heh, I had wondered if anyone would remember or recognize... It is a funny thing being away for so long and then coming back.

Life in Canada is... Odd. I've been doing some fairly specific structural work for the Canadian Federal Government (which one cannot discuss on a forum, hence the long time away) and then followed that up with a few years working principally as a Senior Project Manager. Effectively that's a glorified paper pusher, as the majority of you will know well.

I actually miss New Zealand very much, but Canada is quickly becoming home once again. As for work, while the money is very good in the day job, I missed designing too much and have started a Structural Engineering business on the side.

I'll think about amalgamating the posts; I hadn't really thought about bothering until now...

How's Aussie? You still keep in touch with the (now defunct) Connell Wagner gang at Aurecon?
 
Not much. I'm retired now, and I think they have forgotten me. All good here. Don't know how I had time to work. My golf has even improved.
 
@Dcarr

How much movement is required to achieve passive resistance?
 
We have highly plastic clays to a dept of about 40'. Lateral design soil pressures usually use a Ka=0.35 to 0.4... actual pressures can be quite a bit higher given the right circumstances. Typical foundation wall construction for the excavated part is to use a perforated geotextile covered drainage tile bedded in Pea Gravel. The backfill area is filled with lightly compacted clean granular material nearly to grade. A 6" cap of clay is placed over the granular material and 6" of topsoil is placed over this. Clay is generally separated from the clean granular material by a geotextile. The foundation wall is also dampproofed and sometimes a Miraffi drainage layer is placed on the foundation wall. Seems to work really well and there are no excessive soil pressures on the wall. Grade is well drained from the wall. Often foundation walls are supported on piles in lieu of strip footings.

I notice in the photos that the surrounding grade slopes towards the house and it may require a drainage swale.

Dik
 
I think the CAD company was probably given the floor plan, but the wall section would have just been one of their typical details.

Thanks Dik, I've given him a similar suggestion. The final grade has not been set, there will be a retaining wall in the back corner and a swale along the back.

CEL, nothing makes you feel more at home than watching the Canadian hockey teams beat the Americans in a couple big games. Sweden is next!!
 
In Manitoba, they're allowing the bars to open at 4 AM, tomorrow for the hockey game...

Dik
 
so, do they close at 2am the nigh before, or just stay open all night?
 
I found the Finnish - USA game a good one to watch... Sorry for our US friends, but what a win for Finland!
 
CEL... you'll be happier now... When the Swedes trounced the Fins, I was a little concerned... got up early to watch the game.

Dik
 
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