SepiaTones
Chemical
- Sep 11, 2002
- 4
For a new boiler installation, we are looking at keeping the FD and ID fans running in case of a power failure. This would be at low load, but high enough to keep a draft and prevent an explosion. Let's say 25% of full load, or 25% speed (these are VFD).
The question I have is how much power the fans will draw. I am getting conflicting information:
[ul]
[li]The affinity laws are giving me what I consider unrealistically low numbers. For a 850 connected HP motor, designed to draw 700 HP at full load, I'm getting 10 HP at 25% speed.[/li]
[li]The affinity law I'm referring to is that the HP ratio the cube of the speed ratio. But I have seen and heard enough to make me suspicious that the exponent is generally not 3 except in rare instances, but somewhere between 2 and 3.[/li]
[li]The affinity laws assume a constant motor efficiency, fan efficiency and VFD inverter efficiency, all of which actually decrease as you get farther away from the operating point.[/li]
[li]It also assumes that pressure drops are all proportional to v^2, which is not always the case. For a baghouse for example, which this system has, the exponent is 1.2.[/li]
[/ul]
For all of these reasons I am reluctant to put my faith in the affinity laws.
Another reason I don't trust the results (10 HP for a FLA (full load amps) of 700HP) is that I think this is less than NLA (no load amps). For NLA, I've seen numbers as high as 30% FLA, although this may be applicable mainly to smaller motors.
One other thing, I have the fan curve, but only at 100% speed. I've made curves at lower speeds myself using the affinity laws, including down to 25% and below. The curves don't look too bad until you get below about 50%, then the just don't look like any other VFD curves I've seen before. Most of the other curves I've seen have been for a less than 50% speed reduction. I've always suspected that the affinity laws were similarly limited to modest speed changes.
So, can anybody tell me how much power I would need to keep these fans running at these low speeds? Thanks.
The question I have is how much power the fans will draw. I am getting conflicting information:
[ul]
[li]The affinity laws are giving me what I consider unrealistically low numbers. For a 850 connected HP motor, designed to draw 700 HP at full load, I'm getting 10 HP at 25% speed.[/li]
[li]The affinity law I'm referring to is that the HP ratio the cube of the speed ratio. But I have seen and heard enough to make me suspicious that the exponent is generally not 3 except in rare instances, but somewhere between 2 and 3.[/li]
[li]The affinity laws assume a constant motor efficiency, fan efficiency and VFD inverter efficiency, all of which actually decrease as you get farther away from the operating point.[/li]
[li]It also assumes that pressure drops are all proportional to v^2, which is not always the case. For a baghouse for example, which this system has, the exponent is 1.2.[/li]
[/ul]
For all of these reasons I am reluctant to put my faith in the affinity laws.
Another reason I don't trust the results (10 HP for a FLA (full load amps) of 700HP) is that I think this is less than NLA (no load amps). For NLA, I've seen numbers as high as 30% FLA, although this may be applicable mainly to smaller motors.
One other thing, I have the fan curve, but only at 100% speed. I've made curves at lower speeds myself using the affinity laws, including down to 25% and below. The curves don't look too bad until you get below about 50%, then the just don't look like any other VFD curves I've seen before. Most of the other curves I've seen have been for a less than 50% speed reduction. I've always suspected that the affinity laws were similarly limited to modest speed changes.
So, can anybody tell me how much power I would need to keep these fans running at these low speeds? Thanks.