I really am enjoying this thread. It _is_ a controversial subject. I believe most ofthe controversy results because at first glance it seems that the scientific analysis produces conclusions that contradict pratical observations.
Maui, I don't believe that anyone disagrees with your analysis. Most students of fatigue behavior have been exposed to this type of analysis and alot of them even understand it. I think a logical fallacy occurs when applying this research to pratical applications, however.
The fracture mechanics approach, the way I understand it, says that crack growth rates are directly related to the critical stress intensity (Kc), and that Kc is related to KIc (where I am making a distinction between the loading evnironment at the crack tip -Kc- and the mode I loading used in KIc determinations). Furthermore, since CVN values have been shown to be related to KIc values, the conclusion is that materials with higher CVN values will have slower crack growth rates and, therefore, longer fatigue lifes.
It is this conclusion that, I believe, lead to the begining of this thread. That is, pratical experience does not support this conclusion. Components made from materials with higher CVN values do not demonstrate any longer life in fatigue or corrosion fatigue situations (aside from the obvious situation of a material with a toughness so low that a small fatigue crack propagates rapidly to brittle failure).
I think the basic reason for this apparent parodox is Carburize's statement
the majority of the life of most parts is spent in the initiation phase before the crack growth regime starts
Not only is this rather easily made, but it is supported by industry practice. In general, comoponents that are routinely inspected for fatigue cracks are removed from service if a crack of any size is detected. Obviously, the majority (nearly all of it) of the component's life is spent in the initiation phase.
To futher (or perhaps sidetrack?) this discussion, I'd like to ask Carburize's originial question, except substutite "Yield Strength" for toughness, That is
How signifigant is yield strength on fatigue, corrosion fatigue strength of a component (keeping other factors equal, such as material chemistry, environment, loading, etc...)? For example, I have two pump shafts. One from 90,000 psi yield material and one from 130,000 yield material, both have > 40 Ft-Lbs LCVN. Which could be expected to give longer life in fatigue/corrosion fatigue applications?