Hi Keith, managed to fix it, I'd changed the grid fromt the defaut 0.1 in both symbol and package when I created my custom devices and it didn't like it when I connected them together. Fixed any way after I redesign my devices with the default grid. I'm just doing the routing now, for defining the net classes it has name, width, drill and clearance, is the drill for through-hole compoents and not relevant if its all SMD. thanks Paul