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D1143 withdrawn
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PSlem, check out this page from ASTM:
I noticed that D 3966 was also withdrawn. When I contact ASTM about it, the idea I got from the reply was that the spec had not been reapproved by the committee so it was automatically withdrawn. There wasn't a technical reason for it's withdrawal. Perhaps its the same thing for D 1143.
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The withdrawal of standards by ASTM is oftentimes dictated by the ability of the committee members to work on updates and address issues. I admit that I am part of the problem in that as a member, I vote on the changes but, I haven't really participated in the process of rewriting. I was surprised how much time and paper it took to address one of my comments (not even a negative vote, just a comment!!!) regarding a concrete field test.
I believe that is what is going on with D1143 & D3966. It has been a couple of years and I don't quite remember the actual circumstances for these withdrawals. I am sure that dynamic testing is becoming more prevelant but, a load test is the only way to evaluate settlement actual amounts of settlement.
Following is a typical statement for the ASTM rules:
The following list of standards is being balloted for withdraw without replacement. The Regulations Governing ASTM Technical Committees contain the following provision for
handling overdue standards, Section 10.6.3.1: "If no ballot action is in process to update the standard as of January 1 of the sixth year since its last approval date, a ballot for
withdrawal will be issued automatically by ASTM Headquarters. The overdue standard will be placed on the next available concurrent subcommittee and main committee ballot.
If the standard has not received a new approval date by December 31 of the eighth year since the last approval date, the standard will be withdrawn."
Based on this regulation, these standards are now being concurrently balloted for withdrawal without replacement.
I believe that is what is going on with D1143 & D3966. It has been a couple of years and I don't quite remember the actual circumstances for these withdrawals. I am sure that dynamic testing is becoming more prevelant but, a load test is the only way to evaluate settlement actual amounts of settlement.
Following is a typical statement for the ASTM rules:
The following list of standards is being balloted for withdraw without replacement. The Regulations Governing ASTM Technical Committees contain the following provision for
handling overdue standards, Section 10.6.3.1: "If no ballot action is in process to update the standard as of January 1 of the sixth year since its last approval date, a ballot for
withdrawal will be issued automatically by ASTM Headquarters. The overdue standard will be placed on the next available concurrent subcommittee and main committee ballot.
If the standard has not received a new approval date by December 31 of the eighth year since the last approval date, the standard will be withdrawn."
Based on this regulation, these standards are now being concurrently balloted for withdrawal without replacement.
There is no reason you can not spec the last version of the standard, if this is what your engineering judjement believes is the right test.
If the issues that prevented it from being rinstated were so terrible, they would have pulled the standard.
The standards are a nice way to create uniformity, but they do not constitute the only way to do something. In reality, it is just a quick way for you to not what way it should be tested. If you want to modify it, then do so - as long as it is noted. If you want to do something different all together, then you get to write it out.
If the issues that prevented it from being rinstated were so terrible, they would have pulled the standard.
The standards are a nice way to create uniformity, but they do not constitute the only way to do something. In reality, it is just a quick way for you to not what way it should be tested. If you want to modify it, then do so - as long as it is noted. If you want to do something different all together, then you get to write it out.
My experience - bought a set of the asphalt stuff a number of years ago and no specification for the Marshall Test - important for me at the time. Why? They didn't reapprove it in the appropriate time frame. So, I get screwed. If I want the spec I have to buy the next volume after it is reapproved. Don't think they would send it to me free of charge do you for their lack of urgency? Naw. I doubt that the specs have been withdrawn, but as others said, just not reapproved in time.
So isn't the purpose of standard spec to be, well, standard? I mean if I am looking at a bridge replacement, I can look at the load test data from 50 years ago and know exactly what was done and what the results mean. I don't really know what they expect to change. In the interim, would load testing in accordance with D1143 still be recognized as a standard test?
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DRC1, given the number of load tests that have been conducted in accordance with D1143, I believe that any test done following those proceedures would still be reconized. Also, given the amount of flexibility in D1143, just about any load test can be said to be in "general accordance" with D1143.
ASTM Standards
D1143-81(1994)e1 "Standard Test Method for Piles Under Static Axial Compressive Load"
D3966-90(1995) "Standard Test Method for Piles Under Lateral Loads"
D3689-90(1995) "Standard Test Method for Individual Piles Under Static Axial Tensile Load"
were withdrawn without replacement in 2006 and 2005.
Reinstatement of these standards is on the committee's list of work items (WK7052, WK11659, WK11718). However, it is likely that the replacement for D1143 will contain significant changes from the version that was withdrawn. See
Jeff
D1143-81(1994)e1 "Standard Test Method for Piles Under Static Axial Compressive Load"
D3966-90(1995) "Standard Test Method for Piles Under Lateral Loads"
D3689-90(1995) "Standard Test Method for Individual Piles Under Static Axial Tensile Load"
were withdrawn without replacement in 2006 and 2005.
Reinstatement of these standards is on the committee's list of work items (WK7052, WK11659, WK11718). However, it is likely that the replacement for D1143 will contain significant changes from the version that was withdrawn. See
Jeff
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