youngstructural
Structural
- Aug 17, 2004
- 713
Hello All;
The production of a composite section used to be second nature to a Structural Engineer. When I worked as a Bridge Maintenance Engineer, I reviewed or inspected the condition of numerous bridges with sections made up of various typical shapes (plate, angle, tee, etc). I am very comfortable with the application of Tau = VQ/It and q = VQ/I for most situations, but am not sure what to do for the situation I am looking at now...
To take a simple example, say we have an rolled I section to which we would like to attach two plates, top and bottom, to increase the I of the section. In the calculation of the shear flow (taking q = VQ/I from above) we consider the maximum shear load which the beam will have to support (V), multiply that by the first moment of area of the plate being attached(Q) and divide by the overall resulting composite section's second moment of ares (aka Moment of Inertia).
My question relates to flinch beam situations, where you have vertical plates being connected together to create a composite beam, or perhaps back to back channels with (or without) a plate in between. In this case, what is our Q? I would think that we would calculate the Q for the portion of the composite section which will be above the fixing location. This would seem rational to me, as the shear flow is present at an elevation, and the orientation of the fixings should not affect the shear present. Am I correct?
In determining WHEN we are required to create a composite section, I have always followed the advice I received from a very senior engineer at one of the first firms I worked at. He said, quite simply, that if you have a load applied to a beam, the overall stiffness of the beam bears the load. However, if you have a beam made up of multiple parts which you are considering to be sharing a common load, the difference in the relative stiffness could cause problems and as such the section must be made composite so that as one part of the beam takes load, the others are forced to assist. Is there any more formal guidance or design examples that anyone knows of? I'm curious to know what you all think...
I've read through but it doesn't address this question...
Thanks,
YS
B.Eng (Carleton)
Working in New Zealand, thinking of my snow covered home...
The production of a composite section used to be second nature to a Structural Engineer. When I worked as a Bridge Maintenance Engineer, I reviewed or inspected the condition of numerous bridges with sections made up of various typical shapes (plate, angle, tee, etc). I am very comfortable with the application of Tau = VQ/It and q = VQ/I for most situations, but am not sure what to do for the situation I am looking at now...
To take a simple example, say we have an rolled I section to which we would like to attach two plates, top and bottom, to increase the I of the section. In the calculation of the shear flow (taking q = VQ/I from above) we consider the maximum shear load which the beam will have to support (V), multiply that by the first moment of area of the plate being attached(Q) and divide by the overall resulting composite section's second moment of ares (aka Moment of Inertia).
My question relates to flinch beam situations, where you have vertical plates being connected together to create a composite beam, or perhaps back to back channels with (or without) a plate in between. In this case, what is our Q? I would think that we would calculate the Q for the portion of the composite section which will be above the fixing location. This would seem rational to me, as the shear flow is present at an elevation, and the orientation of the fixings should not affect the shear present. Am I correct?
In determining WHEN we are required to create a composite section, I have always followed the advice I received from a very senior engineer at one of the first firms I worked at. He said, quite simply, that if you have a load applied to a beam, the overall stiffness of the beam bears the load. However, if you have a beam made up of multiple parts which you are considering to be sharing a common load, the difference in the relative stiffness could cause problems and as such the section must be made composite so that as one part of the beam takes load, the others are forced to assist. Is there any more formal guidance or design examples that anyone knows of? I'm curious to know what you all think...
I've read through but it doesn't address this question...
Thanks,
YS
B.Eng (Carleton)
Working in New Zealand, thinking of my snow covered home...