Combine, Tractor, Skidsteer Loader fires and failures 2

[slipstick50]

Are there people on this site interested in sharing and exchaning fire and failure information on agricultural and industrial equipment??

 

[CSLufkin]

I am a fire investigator in a rural area, I am very interested in anything you could teach me.

 

[slipstick50]

what type of investigator/insurance/designer/engineer??

we regularly work on industrial and agricultural fire investigations

 

[ed911]

This is off topic as far as equipment, other than I have some, but I have a question regarding rural fires - specifically related to hay. I now wet/damp hay bales can catch fire, so they should not be put in a barn. How long does it take before they would start burning? I just filled my barn and kept out any bales that even seemed damp, but being new at it, I still worry. Thanks.

 

[slipstick50]

ED911,

Hay bales are always interesting when it comes to spontaneous combustion,,,, higher protein levels of oat hay and good alfalfa combined with a narrow range of moisture content and bales causes problems.... Oat hay kind of goes through a heating/curing process when baled at optimum moisture contents,, there are a number of Midwest Plan Service Publications (extension agents) that really go into the process in depth or I can fax email applicable pages..

My farms, ( couple hundred head of cattle and lots of boughten feeders each year) leave the hay bales ( large rounds, large and small squares) outside to go through the heat and cure if at all possible.. we've been know to pile bales in side and then move one more time to more long term storage,,

We walk the haybuildings and over the top of the hay sniffing and smelling for hot and heating hay,, very distinctive.. do it early in the morning or later in the evening when the wind is down.......... If odor is ever present, start unloading the building until you find the source.

if a hay hot spot is allowed to burn long enough, it can smolder and burn and not flare up into a fire...... hollow burned out smoldering areas can occur and don't walk over and fall through into the coals,,,, dangerous!!! Once a slow smoldering fire gets air,, it will flare up big time..

trying to inject water into a hay smoldering fire is dangerous and does not work,, unload the building,,,and spread,,, be careful of water on smoldering fires, water gas or CO2 explosions....

r

 

[CSLufkin]

Slipstick50: I'm a Volunteer Firefighter and I am just getting into Cause/Origin investigations in my county, need to log my hours before I can be considered for the County Inverstigation Team.

ed911: My uncle had a barn fire years ago that was caused by damp hay in the barn. The hay was put in from June-August and the fire started in December. They can really smolder for a long time. It is very important to crawl around on the pile once in a while (weekly?) as Slipstick recommends. And dont use water as that will make for a lot more wet hay and a longer term problem.

 

[Slowzuki]

I have worked some construction equipment fire investigations, all are much after the fact, one was 4 years post fire. Luckily some components were preserved and the original cause listed was shown to be false.

 

[CSLufkin]

This thread should move to the Forensic Engineering site. It is seldom used but could be a great resource.