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Brick Veneer Lateral Support- Please Help... 1

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Reddy_C

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Mar 12, 2019
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Requirements for Lateral support of "Stand-alone" Brick Veneer? Please help me with some Code Requirements..
 
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Commercial building has an exterior brick veneer of 22 feet tall. At top, steel joists are sitting/attached. No other lateral support observed.
 
The brick is load bearing from the joists? How fast can you run away from this one?

Any pics, details?
 
Well then it's not brick veneer, it would be considered a multi-wythe load-bearing brick wall. There are many examples and design guides relating to this. The walls would be designed to be their own lateral support, therefore would likely be extremely thick, I would expect you'd be at least a 3 wythe wall, if not more.
 
The brick is load bearing from the joists? How fast can you run away from this one?

Any pics, details?

There is a Structural frame/Beam/Girder adjacent to Brick veneer. Brick is Not load-bearing.
 
Ref: Well then it's not brick veneer, it would be considered a multi-wythe load-bearing brick wall. There are many examples and design guides relating to this. The walls would be designed to be their own lateral support, therefore would likely be extremely thick, I would expect you'd be at least a 3 wythe wall, if not more.

There is a Structural frame/Beam/Girder adjacent to Brick veneer. Brick is Not load-bearing.

 
Just want to make sure:
The frame/beam/girder/joists do not rely on the brick at all for support in any direction?
The brick does rely on the joists at the top to brace it laterally?

If these are true, then to me you do not have a veneer anyway as already stated. You have a 22' tall brick wall subjected to lateral wind load and possibly seismic.
 
a section or picture would greatly help understand your condition.

if it's truly a veneer I'd expect to see coldform non-bearing studs between the steel framing adjacent to the wall and the slab on grade, with vertical slip tracks at the steel. The veneer would then fasten back to the coldform with traditional masonry ties.

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Ref: The brick does rely on the joists at the top to brace it laterally? -

Yes, Brick does extend to the bottom of roof deck and has some form of connection @ top.


If these are true, then to me you do not have a veneer anyway as already stated. You have a 22' tall brick wall subjected to lateral wind load and possibly seismic.

- Yes, you are right! the Brick wall is being subjected to wind load. Any help with code requirements for Masonry (Retrofit)!
 
Before one of the more seasoned forum members comes here and rips you a new one. You need to provide more information. You never once indicated that you had a steel frame in your original post. And then in your follow-up post you indicate that the joists are connected to the brick, still no mention of a steel frame.

If you want applicable answers, give the pertinent info. Maybe a picture or two. A sketch of the connection details and what the member sizing looks like.

Is it a single wythe of masonry veneer? or is it multi-wythe like I had indicated is possible? If the latter, it's still possible that you don't need to do anything. The design of masonry wall subjected to in-plane and out-of-plane wind loads is well documented.

You also haven't indicated a location, so are you looking for code references for the US, Canada, Europe, Bangladesh?

A well written and information packed question will provide you with extremely helpful answers. Vague question = vague answers.
 
Reddy C:
You do need to add a sketch or picture. I am sure everyone is visualizing something different. Sounds like this is a brick veneer without any wall ties if I am correct in what you are saying now.

Also, if the brick veneer keeps the joists from going downwards where they connect to the brick veneer, the brick are load bearing even if the joists could cantilever on their own and meet code.
 
Jarod...

This brick wall is obviously at Stonehenge...

Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)


 
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