ASME Material Conversion to EN 13445 2

[dalea60]

Does anyone know of some comparison that would give an idea of what EN 13445 material is equivalent to an ASME Section II-D material? Such as the EN 13445 equivalent for SA-516 70 or SA-240 304.

Thanks for the help,
Dale

 

[XL83NL]

You can, for starters, review the following links;
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http://files.asme.org/STLLC/12195.pdf

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http://www.unm.fr/main/download.php?file=144_FICHIER_0.pdf‎

- or simply Google

 

[dalea60]

XL83NL,

I'd downloaded the STP-PT-007 from ASME but had to do it as a locked one user PDF so I was surprized to see your unconrolled link to it on ASME's site.

Dale

 

[XL83NL]

STP-PT-007 is a free document from ASME, but I think their standard way of working 'locks' the pdf to a single user as they this with all their digital files that can be purchased from their website.

 

[mrfailure]

Try the Worldwide Guide to Equivalent Irons and Steels from ASM and see if that has such a listing.

 

[dalea60]

Thanks mrfailure, I'll look at it.

 

[TVP]

SA 516 70 is equivalent to grade P295GH in EN 10028-2. SA 240 304 is equivalent to X5CrNi18-10 in EN 10028-7.

 

[dalea60]

TVP, any idea about equivalent for bolt materia such as SA-193 B7 or B8?

I've been looking at a site called SteelNumber.com

Thanks,
Dale

 

[denlow60]

I have here a few

SA182-F91 \ EN 10222-2 X10CrMoV 9-1
A/SA 335 P22 \ EN 10028-2 10CrMo9-10
A/SA 335 P1 \ EN 10028-2 16Mo3

 

[CoryPad]

When looking for alternatives to ASTM A193/ASME SA193 , use EN 10269.

For B7, try 42CrMo4

For B8, try X5CrNi18-10

 

[metengr]

EN 10028-2 P295GH has been approved for use by ASME Section II, and is in Part D as its own materials specification, and subsequent stress lines so there is no need for equivalent comparison.

Again, for use by ASME you need to have the approved material specification approved, not an equivalent.

 

[metengr]

SA182-F91 \ EN 10222-2 X10CrMoV 9-1

EN specification not approved for use by ASME, Section II, Part D.

A/SA 335 P22 \ EN 10028-2 10CrMo9-10

EN specification approved for plate, not seamless pipe by ASME Section II.

A/SA 335 P1 \ EN 10028-2 16Mo3

EN specification not approved for seamless pipe. For tube supplied under EN 10216-2.

2013 Edition of ASME Section II.

 

[metengr]

For B7, try 42CrMo4

Not approved for use for ASME B&PV Code unless dual certification under an ASME material specification.

For B8, try X5CrNi18-10

Not approved for use for ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code unless dual certification under an ASME material specification.

 

[XL83NL]

metengr replies are all (as always) correct, but Im not sure the OP's question was for use of EN materials in an ASME vessel.
maybe he just wants to know equivalency, e.g. since he built ASME vessels in the past and now seeks EN material for a new job containing an EN vessel.

 

[metengr]

XL83NL;
Good point. When it comes to ASME standards and codes, I hear the phrase "equivalent materials" and it sends a big red flag that folks can simply substitute materials because a publication mentions they are equivalent. ASME Section II is starting to gain momentum on reviewing/adopting EN standards and certain material grades with stress lines for use in vessel construction.

 

[CoryPad]

For clarification, EN 10269 is a harmonized standard with the European Commission Directive 97/23/EC for pressure equipment, so it is suitable for applications such as those covered by ASME B&PV. Of course, there are important caveats regarding equivalency and legislation, so proceed carefully.

 

[XL83NL]

metengr, thanks for the information on II-D/EN-standards. been hearing that more often lately; I recently heard a guy from the sect IX committee given a presentation on sect IX.
he mentioned that the EU-standard on welding (EN ISO 9606) is getting closer to/with sect IX. any comments/info you may have on that?

EN 10269 is a harmonized standard with the European Commission Directive 97/23/EC for pressure equipment, so it is suitable for applications such as those covered by ASME B&PV.

wrong, hEN (harmonized EN standard) and ASME BPV dont have that relation. when a hEN is applied within a directive e.g. PED 97/23/EC, then (usually by means of annex ZA) it has inherent conformance to the directive.
there's no such of the application of a hEN with ASME BPV.

 

[jwhit]

I think CoryPad is on to something with his reply. If it is ASME material to be used in a PED vessel, a Particular Material Appraisal will need to be done by the Notified Body involved to get the material accepted as meeting the EN requirements for that application. This needs to be done by the Vessel Manufacturer rather than the Material Manufacturer.

 

[metengr]

XL83NL;

he mentioned that the EU-standard on welding (EN ISO 9606) is getting closer to/with sect IX. any comments/info you may have on that?

No, unfortunately I do not. I am a member of Section I standards committee. Was the Section IX individual W Sperko? Are you a member of EPRI? The problem with construction code harmonization is that commercial interests (cost, protection of turf) are driving the bus and not technical harmonization.

 

[XL83NL]

metengr;

The problem with construction code harmonization is that commercial interests (cost, protection of turf) are driving the bus and not technical harmonization.

Same thing as the guy I spoke said. He's a dutch guy (so not Sperko) who's in sec IX as a delegate (I think as of recently - 2013 edt?).
He also has a chair in some ISO WPG/committee on welding (obviously EN ISO 9606and EN 287), so it was interesting to hear his POV on how ASME committes work, and how ISO committees.
Funny thing was he favoured the way ASME committees work over ISO .

Im not a member of EPRI.