davidbeach
Electrical
- Mar 13, 2003
- 9,530
Saw something the other day that I'm interested if anybody else has seen anything like it.
The subtransmission system has two lines that run from station A to station B, by different routes. Both lines connect to the same bus at each end. One of the lines serves a tapped distribution station; said distribution station has a Dyn1 transformer to serve the distribution load. One of the distribution feeders leaves the substation, travels a ways and then meets up with the subtransmission circuit a ways away from the distribution station and then shares the same poles for 2/3 of a mile or so. At the end of that 2/3 of a mile there is an underground feed to a customer. The underground cable faulted, single line to ground. We know where and what since that had to be repaired.
What I found very interesting is that we saw zero-sequence current on the subtransmission system during the fault, none before, none after. So it appears that when a loop exists with a sufficiently low zero-sequence impedance it is possible for a distribution fault to mutually couple to the subtransmission and drive a circulating zero-sequence current around the loop. Without mutual coupling, the lowside 1LG fault would only produce positive- and negative-sequence current on the highside.
Unfortunately, I don't think the relay manufacturers considered this type of event when developing their directional elements. One end of the line was a strong source, the other a very weak source, so the bulk of the negative-sequence current was in the opposite direction of the zero-sequence current. That's not what the classical fault models would suggest. The weak end, that saw both negative- and zero-sequence currents in the same direction was able to make a correct directionality decision. The other end, though, seems to have figuratively thrown up its hands and made no decision at all; no directionality determination was made at this end.
Has anybody else seen anything like that? If so, what, if anything, have you done to increase security of the subtransmission protection against potential misoperations?
What is the largest impact anybody has seen where faults at one voltage level impact the protection of different voltages (particularly much higher voltages) in a common right-of-way?
The subtransmission system has two lines that run from station A to station B, by different routes. Both lines connect to the same bus at each end. One of the lines serves a tapped distribution station; said distribution station has a Dyn1 transformer to serve the distribution load. One of the distribution feeders leaves the substation, travels a ways and then meets up with the subtransmission circuit a ways away from the distribution station and then shares the same poles for 2/3 of a mile or so. At the end of that 2/3 of a mile there is an underground feed to a customer. The underground cable faulted, single line to ground. We know where and what since that had to be repaired.
What I found very interesting is that we saw zero-sequence current on the subtransmission system during the fault, none before, none after. So it appears that when a loop exists with a sufficiently low zero-sequence impedance it is possible for a distribution fault to mutually couple to the subtransmission and drive a circulating zero-sequence current around the loop. Without mutual coupling, the lowside 1LG fault would only produce positive- and negative-sequence current on the highside.
Unfortunately, I don't think the relay manufacturers considered this type of event when developing their directional elements. One end of the line was a strong source, the other a very weak source, so the bulk of the negative-sequence current was in the opposite direction of the zero-sequence current. That's not what the classical fault models would suggest. The weak end, that saw both negative- and zero-sequence currents in the same direction was able to make a correct directionality decision. The other end, though, seems to have figuratively thrown up its hands and made no decision at all; no directionality determination was made at this end.
Has anybody else seen anything like that? If so, what, if anything, have you done to increase security of the subtransmission protection against potential misoperations?
What is the largest impact anybody has seen where faults at one voltage level impact the protection of different voltages (particularly much higher voltages) in a common right-of-way?