DaSalo
Mechanical
- Apr 27, 2010
- 213
We a a tricky inspection dilemma which I am hoping to get some advice on:
- Imagine a part that is 36" long, 4" tall, and shaped like a slightly twisted airplane wing.
- The datum structure of the part is defined with a 6 point nest:
Primary datum: 3 point on pressure side of wing, two of which are in line top to bottom near one end and the third is at the midpoint of the other two down at the other end.
Secondary datum: two points on the leading edge located on the same cross top-to-bottom cross sections as the primary points.
Tertiary datum: one point on the tip.
- We are trying to verify the amount of bow and twist that exists in the part in the free state. The intent is to allow .150 bow and twist along the length of the part (the more flexible direction) and half that amount along the width (the more rigid direction).
- Currently this is done with a profile of surface control applied to a central cross section of the part. There is a note that specifies that one tolerance applies along one vector and a different tolerance applies along a vector perpendicular to that.
The question is: can something like this be checked with a hard gage? The problem we are facing is that the part is so light weight and flexible that it moves when contacted by the CMM probe even if the probe is dialed down to minimum force. What we are hoping to do is place the part in a physical nest and have a "guillotine" type profile gage fixed at the nominal position of the central profile. If the part can pass through the gage plate then it is in tolerance. This presents a ton of issues though. How do you define the profile of a zone with a complex shape and variable tolerance? How do you account for variation in part thickness? As the part increases in thickness the suction side moves out from the primary datum so the central profile cross section must move with it. But what about a situation where the areas of the part near the datum points are at MMC but the central area is at LMC?
Is profile even the correct control for this situation? It seems like what is really being checked is the position of a feature of size. We want to know how far the vertical and horizontal centerlines of that cross section have departed from their basic position and orientation. We aren't actually trying to verify the shape of the cross section itself, just its position relative to the datum structure of the part as an indicator of bow and twist on a macro level. If we move to a position control we can now use the MMC modifier and define a hard outer boundary. We still face the problem of that boundary floating as a result of the part moving away from the primary datum and secondary as it increases in size.
I've got myself tied up in some mental knots over this. Any help much appreciated.
- Imagine a part that is 36" long, 4" tall, and shaped like a slightly twisted airplane wing.
- The datum structure of the part is defined with a 6 point nest:
Primary datum: 3 point on pressure side of wing, two of which are in line top to bottom near one end and the third is at the midpoint of the other two down at the other end.
Secondary datum: two points on the leading edge located on the same cross top-to-bottom cross sections as the primary points.
Tertiary datum: one point on the tip.
- We are trying to verify the amount of bow and twist that exists in the part in the free state. The intent is to allow .150 bow and twist along the length of the part (the more flexible direction) and half that amount along the width (the more rigid direction).
- Currently this is done with a profile of surface control applied to a central cross section of the part. There is a note that specifies that one tolerance applies along one vector and a different tolerance applies along a vector perpendicular to that.
The question is: can something like this be checked with a hard gage? The problem we are facing is that the part is so light weight and flexible that it moves when contacted by the CMM probe even if the probe is dialed down to minimum force. What we are hoping to do is place the part in a physical nest and have a "guillotine" type profile gage fixed at the nominal position of the central profile. If the part can pass through the gage plate then it is in tolerance. This presents a ton of issues though. How do you define the profile of a zone with a complex shape and variable tolerance? How do you account for variation in part thickness? As the part increases in thickness the suction side moves out from the primary datum so the central profile cross section must move with it. But what about a situation where the areas of the part near the datum points are at MMC but the central area is at LMC?
Is profile even the correct control for this situation? It seems like what is really being checked is the position of a feature of size. We want to know how far the vertical and horizontal centerlines of that cross section have departed from their basic position and orientation. We aren't actually trying to verify the shape of the cross section itself, just its position relative to the datum structure of the part as an indicator of bow and twist on a macro level. If we move to a position control we can now use the MMC modifier and define a hard outer boundary. We still face the problem of that boundary floating as a result of the part moving away from the primary datum and secondary as it increases in size.
I've got myself tied up in some mental knots over this. Any help much appreciated.