Air India 787 crashes on take off 7

[LittleInch]

A full 787-8 has crashed shortly after take off in ahmedabad.

Basically barely got off the ground then look like its trying to land in this video.

Air India ordered to carry out ‘additional maintenance actions’ on Boeing 787-8/9 fleet – as it happened

India’s ministry of civil aviation orders airline to carry out safety inspections on fleet with GE Aerospace GEnx engines after crash of flight 171

www.theguardian.com

Specualtion that they pulled flaps up instead of gear up and basically didn't have enough lift so it looks like a gentle stall right into a built up area.

Looks to be flaps up, slats/ nose flaps down and gear down which is very odd.

 

[LittleInch]

I have a sick feeling. Don't know how to comment to be honest.

I'm with you. Just can't see how this was accidental. The CVR is not great by the look of things. "Why did you cut off? " "It wasn't me. " Well, there's only two of them in the cockpit....

It's why they need video as well. That simply must be the next recommendation, cockpit and ground video of every single take off and landing done on HD from the side and endof the runway.

 

[LittleInch]

One of the pilots posts photos of himself with a face mask. That's not a sign of good mental health.

Which one?

 

[TugboatEng]

The younger one. Pilots universally rejected the use of face masks early on during COVID any pilot that does sport them is an outlier. Face masks are a safety hazard.

https://www.ifalpa.org/media/3728/22sab04-use-of-masks-in-the-cockpit.pdf

 

[Roga50]

First pull the switch out, then move it.

Not a motion that's likely to happen by accident.

The report noted that on 737's there was an AD where apparently some of the switches did NOT have the "pull switch out" locking feature. The report speculates that a similar model switch is used on the 787, so did these switches actually have the locking feature?

Specifically, this paragraph:

The FAA issued Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) No. NM-18-33 on December 17, 2018, regarding the potential disengagement of the fuel control switch locking feature. This SAIB was issued based on reports from operators of Model 737 airplanes that the fuel control switches were installed with the locking feature disengaged. The airworthiness concern was not considered an unsafe condition that would warrant airworthiness directive(AD) by the FAA. The fuel control switch design, including the locking feature, is similar on various Boeing airplane models including part number 4TL837-3D which is fitted in B787-8aircraft VT-ANB. As per the information from Air India, the suggested inspections were not carried out as the SAIB was advisory and not mandatory. The scrutiny of maintenance records revealed that the throttle control module was replaced on VT-ANB in 2019 and 2023.However, the reason for the replacement was not linked to the fuel control switch. There has been no defect reported pertaining to the fuel control switch since 2023 on VT-ANB.

 

[stcbus]

The younger one. Pilots universally rejected the use of face masks early on during COVID any pilot that does sport them is an outlier. Face masks are a safety hazard.

https://www.ifalpa.org/media/3728/22sab04-use-of-masks-in-the-cockpit.pdf

That’s article also gives mitigations and clearly states,

“use of face masks
in the cockpit while operating the aircraft should be according to an operator’s risk assessment”

So, not what you said.