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    Radial forces due to uneven air gap

    electricpete: Dang it, I think I'm wrong. I agree with you, the imbalance would be in the form of partial vector sum from the stator pole in the series connection having a higher magnitude. Which would probably be difficult to read in the canceling neutral. Good catch, thanks.
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    Radial forces due to uneven air gap

    An investment into air gap monitoring would be beneficial to monitor gap stability. There are solutions by the major manufacturers to insert core RTDs in the ventilation ducts as well. The level of core monitoring is more dependent on your interest in keeping the existing core. Technically...
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    Radial forces due to uneven air gap

    ...as another note, I can agree with the others, waiting to replace the core once you strip the coils may put you in a compromising position. It would be worth doing a 3 point heat run monitoring all temperatures and infrared to see the core condition. Options such as Elcid could also be...
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    Radial forces due to uneven air gap

    edison123: It sounds like there are two schools of the term moving the stator. One being recentering the stator frame and core assembly about the rotor, the other being reshaping the stator core via push and pull methods. In the latter, we had performed this in our utility on asphalt mica...
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    Radial forces due to uneven air gap

    Tom: Depending on the head room designed in the core, you should be able to rehabilitate the core if the shape is reasonable. Our utility has a history of operating cores well past 70 years with few problems. This is acceptable so long as the due diligence engineering is performed such as the...
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    Radial forces due to uneven air gap

    Tom: I agree with your theory. In evaluating some machines with bypassed turns, it does affect the orbit of the shaft centerline. Similar to your eccentricity of the stator, the tight air gap section should induce a larger radial synchronizing torque. Also the tight section should result in...
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    Radial forces due to uneven air gap

    Clyde38 --- Typical weight for a hydro ~20-50MVA is on the order of 165T with poles attached. Or for a 100MVA unit, rotor spider 165T + rotor rim + rotor poles + fan blades etc. Typical pole weight of a 50MVA machine is ~ 2000lbs
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    Generation

    The others are correct. Are they speed-gate droop or speed-power droop governors? I assume that they are not fighting.
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    Radial forces due to uneven air gap

    I stator rubbed a medium sized hydro machine. Just as you identified, you should be nervous if you are going to reshape the stator. It really depends on how long you want to stretch the life. In my case the results post move were as follows: - core vibration (stretching and relaxation of the...
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    Terminal Lugs

    It depends on your application of the lug. During HV testing, a lot of testing is performed with 600V conductors in free air at voltages >22kV using normal 600V connections. For a permanent installation, you should do the research with vendors.
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    Static excitation system and shaft current

    Hydro or thermal? If you take apart a vertical hydro, it's very apparent within the thrust and guide bearing assembly as to how the unit is isolated while having a single ground reference. Mostly, units without ground brushes get them added with a static exciter upgrade (hydro) or 64F...
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    Measuring Rotor Current In Wound Rotor Motor

    I agree with schweitzereaton. Shunts are the way to go with voltage-iso amps. I've had too many incidents of so called dc-ct's having hysteresis. The shunt size's aren't too bad, I've had a few which are into the 2000A range, not that much bigger than the bus it's bolted on. I guess it all...
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    Commissioning test for Generator relay

    I agree with 'oldfieldguy'. The final 'trip' test is still required to fire the 86's and 94's and breaker trips/flags/annunciation, even in the digital world. Kudos to 'oldfieldguy'. The electromechanical relays well applied will still protect you. It is far too easy to turn on every...
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    Commissioning test for Generator relay

    In general, relay testing involves secondary injections controlled through a 3 phase test set. The idea is to simulate operational modes to basically trace the expected operational curves using automated sweeps of 3 phase voltages and currents. This is assuming that the metering circuits of...
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    400MW Generator pulling too many MVARS (lagging power factor)

    Where is your generator breaker (high side or low side of the step up transformer)? Also, are you sync PT's accounting for the tap position. As other have indicated, drop your voltage and the VARs will follow. If your unit has picked up VARs after a long period post syncing, your bus...

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