Inactive DOF of node when I applied the moment load

• Jul 21, 2004

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corus

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C3D8 doesn't have degree of freedom 6, hence the error. You can only apply a direct load in directions 1 to 3. For a moment load it should be in the direction perpendicular to the axis.

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• Jul 22, 2004

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xiazhn

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Thanks for your information. I noticed this problem later. But only solid elements C3D... or axissymetric elements CAX... are supported by the postprocessor that I used. In this case, There seems to be two ways that I can follow, one is to develop new element within ABAQUS, and the second one is to modify the postprocessor program, istn't it? However they are both a big job. Are there any easier ways for the simulation?

 

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• Jul 22, 2004

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corus

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Axisymmetric elements won't be much use if you're applying a moment at the top unless it's a moment only about the theta direction to cause the edge to curl.
For solid elements a moment can be applied by applying two forces (a couple) in equal and opposite directions at an equidistance away from the bending axis. As the saying goes: Every couple have their moment.

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• Jul 22, 2004

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xiazhn

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corus, I am appreciated for your help. The further problem is how to assign a linear distributed moments(in this case, it is transfered to forces) along with the tube. This is another problem in this project that makes me headache.
Using *AMPLITUDE command? But it is described in the manual as following:

Complex time- or frequency-dependent boundary conditions, loads, and predefined fields can be specified by using the AMPLITUDE parameter on the prescribed condition option to refer to an amplitude curve.

I tried with user subroutine, but the definition of CLOAD is not provided in it.

What else can I do? If *AMPLITUDE is suggested, I wish you can give the tips with a little bit more detail.

Thanks

xiazhn

 

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• Jul 23, 2004

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corus

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If it says that *Amplitude is for applying a time based dependancy then it means that.
If you're applying a variable force along the length of the tube to apply your moment then it's probably easier just to edit the input file manually. Alternatively you could apply a variable pressure along the length equivalent to your forces in a similar way to applying a hydrostatic pressure distribution.

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• Jul 23, 2004

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xiazhn

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Thanks. I will try next week.
Have a nice weekend.

 

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• Jul 28, 2004

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xiazhn

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Hello Corus,
I tried to follow your tipps in applying the linear distributed moments. But unfortunately the problem hasn't been solved.
For pressure or hydrostatic, it is only possible to be normal to the outside surface of the tube, and it produces no moment at all.
In the case that the mesh along with the tube is fine enough, it is nearly mission impossible to edit the input file manually.
So, any way else?
Sorry that trouble you so much. Thank you.

 

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• Jul 28, 2004

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corus

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Are you applying a force to produce a linearly varying moment along the length of the tube (fixed at one end) or a series of moments along the length of the tube?

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• Jul 28, 2004

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Drej

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What corus said is correct and should produce a moment - this method will work perfectly well ***according to the way in which you describe your model**. A pressure normal to the (axial) surface of a tube will produce a moment (m) equivalent to m=PAl, where P is the applied pressure, A is the area over which it is applied and l the perpendicular length between the applied centroid of pressure to the centroid of the support. Also be aware of the fact that applying a pressure in this way will also give you shear, whereas a pure moment will not - is this how you expect your load to be applied? We could do with a drawing of your model to see exactly what's going on. Is it like this:

P R E S S U R E
|-------------------|<- fixed translations
|-------------------|<- fixed translations


global axes

Y
|
|
|----- Z


pressure applied in -ve Y direction?


-- drej --

 

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• Jul 28, 2004

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corus

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If the pressure is applied around the whole circumference then it won't produce a moment. What I was referring to was applying a pressure along a narrow strip down one side of the tube. As drej implies, it's unclear as to what the loading is.

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• Jul 29, 2004

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xiazhn

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I described the load in the first poster, but I am sorry that it was not clear. Now I quote it in the first poster:
"The cross section of the tube lies in the X-Y plane. I added a moment at one node at the free end of the tube with value of CM3. "

In ABAQUS CAE, CM3 refers to the value of the moment in the third direction, i.e. Z direction. So I meant the load was applied in the term of torsion, and the moment should be in the X-Y plane.

|
.
|------------
. |-->>M(torsion moment in the direction
|------------ according to right-hand system)
.

global coordinate system
Y
|
|
|----- Z

In this case, any pressure normal to the outside surface of the tube produces no moment to Z-axis, and this moment is what I expect.

Thanks.

 

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