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To be, or not?

To be, or not?

To be, or not?

(OP)
I've noticed that in the midwestern US (IN and MI especially), it seems to be common practice to drop "to be" from sentences including the word "needs."  What is up with that?

Examples:

My car needs fixed.
This joint needs bushed.

RE: To be, or not?

As a Michigan guy, I haven't heard that, ever.

Buy a dictionary, keep it nearby and USE it. Webster's New World Dictionary of American English is recommended, and Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

RE: To be, or not?

(OP)
Listen for it - it's pretty common.  I know lots of people who do it themselves and still say they've never heard anyone do it.  I had a manager in IN try to tell me that "my car needs fixed" was grammatically correct, and that I'd been incorrectly educated to believe otherwise (by those liberals out west).


RE: To be, or not?

I'm from MN, lived in the upper peninsula of MI for a year, and never heard it until I moved to WY, now I hear it all the time.

RE: To be, or not?

Is it that they're eliminating the "to be" or confusing their tenses ( future: "needs to be fixed" versus present "needs fixing")?

I notice my daughter, raised in a Chicago suburb, has a lot of problems with using the correct verb tense.  I, on the other hand, was raised in the hills of Tennesse, and (being an engineer) am able to speak and write perfect English

Patricia Lougheed

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RE: To be, or not?

Nope, what I hear most frequently is, "Xyz needs fixed," or, "Abc needs changed."

RE: To be, or not?

vpl
Patricia Lougheed. You are the only one.

Buy a dictionary, keep it nearby and USE it. Webster's New World Dictionary of American English is recommended, and Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

RE: To be, or not?

Yep, I do this one all the time and am definately a michigander. Another one us Yoopers (I used to be one)
are good at is:

Go bar.

(not: Go to the bar.)

Also its Ford's, as in "I work at ford's?" or "You work at Ford's?"

nick

RE: To be, or not?

NickE,

You are right about plurals - in Michigan, Ford's is very popular, as is Meijer's (the grocery store), even though the signs display very prominantly the correct names Ford and Meijer.

Regards,

Cory

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RE: To be, or not?

I would have read < Ford's> as the possessive rather than the plural, and as such it should take an apostrophe. It would appear to a contraction of <Ford's factory>

Good Luck
johnwm

RE: To be, or not?

Yes I'll agree with Johnwm, the usages of Ford's and Meijer's I generally agree are possesives.
nick

RE: To be, or not?

ME too. My uncle worked at Ford's, meaning the factory.
I go to Meijer's, meaning the store belonging to Meijer.

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