Hi Luiz:

In general, for the incompressible flow, friction loss is either neglected or can be calculated by using some rule of tumb -- well it is isentropic efficiency for both compression and expansion.  To be more specific and accurate, there is a way on how to calculate friction -- any good book on gas dynamics will have a separate chapter devoted to the flow with friction.

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MJC

To answer your question directly, the equation you presented will work.  In order to get the velocity in the equation, the density is going to come into play. On a noncompressible, the density is constant, so velocity is constant.  With compressible fluids, not true. You could literally take your equation and intergrate it manually.  In other words calculate the pressure drop evey 1 foot.  With the new pressure, calculate a new velocity, and so on until you end up at the end of the pipe.  Practically, this is done emperically with the equations you will find.  Weymouth, Panhandle, ect..

Luiz,
 
For non-significant changes in fluid density the equations you present in your thread can be used as "dcasto (chemical)" points out (July 8, thread response).

However, for signifcant changes in fluid density the standard fluid mechanic relationships are used with the addition of a thermodynamic equation of state to account for the change in fluid density.  Depending on the requirements of the problem the equation of state can range from the ideal to very complex .

GGW:

This is the question: I would like to use Darcy and Colebrook equations
to compute satured steam flow pipes size, say, 120 psi.
Can you tell me what is this equation of state?

Thanks.
Luiz

Dear Luiz,

You have to find out the Mach no. of your steam flow. If it happens to be less than 0.3 you can neglect the compressible effects and use the same formulas applicable for non-compressible flow. Generally any industrial compressible flow rate are chosen such that the Mach. No. does not exceed 0.3. This is avoid choking in the areas like bends, entrance and exit areas.

Regards

Hello dazma,

Can you tell me how to get the Mach number?

Thanks.
Luiz

The Mach number is defined as the ratio of the velocity of the fluid to the velocity of sound. Ma=U/c. For air st standart conditions a flow can be considered incompressible if the velocity is less than about 100 m/s.

Hi MorelG

My fluid is satured steam flowing in pipes, say, at 35 m/s under 120 psi.
So Ma = 35/340 = 0.1
Is it considered incompressible?

Thanks

Hi Luiz,
Yes, you can consider it as incompressible flow and use the relevant equations (incompressible flow eq.). Regards, Morel.

Ok Morel.

For satured steam in steel pipe under 8 Kgf/cm2 (113.7 psi)
    and
    D=0.10226 m (4" schedule 40)
    k=0.0001m (0.0000305 ft)
    V=30 m/s (9.14 ft/s)
    v=0.0000035 m2/s (0.0000011 ft2/s)
    L=500 m (152.4 ft),

by Colebrook and Darcy formulas, we have:
    hf=4,442.73 m (1,354.14 ft)

But, by Spirax Sarco formula:
    hf=26.4 m (8.05 ft)

Anything is wrong.
Can you tell me?

Regards
Luiz