Cloumn Slenderness over 200
Cloumn Slenderness over 200
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Could anyone give me the light to the background of limitation of 200 for col. slenderness. could we design column such as T-shaped frame with small load on top of its with slender over 200.?
Does anyone know sources or information in predicting capacity such kind of this slender column.
Thanks
Does anyone know sources or information in predicting capacity such kind of this slender column.
Thanks
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
I = Fx lo sqrd/(pi sqrd x E)where E is modulus of elasticity , lo =2x length of the strut, F is load slenderness ratio y is Sqrt 2xE/compressive stress allowed and is limited to 122 for steel
buckling stress = pisqrd xExI/(losqrd x Area) and must be less than F/A
. the load would need to be uniformly located about the c/l . and the above only hold for free columns ie no restraints at the top
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
Wright had the contractor build a test column to scale and then loaded it up with a huge number of sandbags. There's a famous picture of it "out there" somewhere with a bunch of workmen sitting on the sand bags.
The building department relented and allowed the building to be constructed. If you have the time and money, you can design the thin column and verify its capacity by load testing.....but usually this takes up too much time and money.
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
In my case I have series of T-shaped column 21 feet high with very light loads say 1 kips on top with small eccentric. With slenderness kept within 200 it comes up with too heavy section for me comparing to others such as street lighting.
Burtoni your value based on experience, test or codes?
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
It was the Johnson Wax Headquarters, but that is close enough!
I believe this is what you are talking about:
Located in Rachine, WI
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
Great picture. Bye the way, while this building is still considered a design classic, the roof leaked from DAY 1. Wright may have been a great architect, but if the detail didn't have anything to do with aesthetics, he wasn't too concerned. He was also, from what I'm told by people who actually worked with him (salesmen, craftsmen contractors, etc.,) a pompus SOB!
Public TV had a special on a few weeks ago about another Wright classic design, "Falling Water". The house that he designed was literally falling into the water of the stream it is built over. So, there was a multi-million dollar fix to it's structural system.
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
He had a wonderful design ability.....a whole "style" of architecture developed around his work, but as an engineer, the above example shows how little he knew about structural design and behavior.
RE: Cloumn Slenderness over 200
The only reason I even knew about the columns in Racine (sorry about the earlier lazy-finger treatment) was that the aforementioned architect asked me to help him design a similar column concept for a building he was planning for.
We eventually did achieve the "look" of the columns, but we cheated by simply EFIS'ing bare steel columns with a facade.