Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
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We are putting standard stainless steel HeliCoils into aluminum castings. Thread is 5/16-18.
We specify that the installer use medium strength (blue/242) Loctite, torquing to 125in-lbs.
If the installer re-adjusts the product after the Loctite cures, is there a chance the HeliCoil comes out with the bolt?
I did a 72 hours test and it seemed fine (using both primer + Loctite 242) and it wasn't an issue. I applied the Loctite quite liberally, but not sure how much a contractor would use.
In your expereince, is this an issue?
We specify that the installer use medium strength (blue/242) Loctite, torquing to 125in-lbs.
If the installer re-adjusts the product after the Loctite cures, is there a chance the HeliCoil comes out with the bolt?
I did a 72 hours test and it seemed fine (using both primer + Loctite 242) and it wasn't an issue. I applied the Loctite quite liberally, but not sure how much a contractor would use.
In your expereince, is this an issue?
RE: Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
Helicoil locking inserts might be useful for fasteners to be tightened.
https://www.stanleyengineeredfastening.com/en/Fast...
However, if the screw's function is maintaining an adjustment ( like idle speed adjustment on a carburetor) wicking Loctite 290 has always worked slick for me.
RE: Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
I have been specifying helical thread inserts for around forty years now. I don't recall one coming out with the screw.
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JHG
RE: Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
I did contact Stanley and they said it should not be an issue / They can treat the HeliCoil like threads in the base material. They're designed to expand and grip to resist loosening (or something).
RE: Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
RE: Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
Firstly, the helicoils needs to be installed below the surface of the hole. Give 1 full thread below surface at a minimum. This will help prevent the coil from backing out with the bolt.
Helicoils leave lots of room for air. This is not compatible with anaerobic thread lockers.
Why do you think you need a thread lockers in the first place? Consider better design of the joint first.
There are helicoils available with locking style threads if you still think additional locking is necessary.
RE: Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
Think we're all set to remediate and ship.
FWIW, did some torque tests and both the Helicoil and properly tapped threads in our ADC12 castings did not strip at 440 in-lbs (max of our torque wrench).
The improperly tapped holes (allowed for Class 2B no-go entry, and was still loose) stripped out at 120 in-lbs.
RE: Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
Like every one else said , helicoil provides a procedure and sells the correct tooling for installation. The lower strength loctite works very well from preventing screws , nuts or bolts vibrating loose.
The issue is aluminum threads can easily be damaged if over torqued. So i would recommend to to do several test and inspect and record.
Then set a procedure for installation in addition to helicoils procedure. It is very very easy to damage aluminum threads. And after a few disassemble and reassemble then may be some failures. It's the nature of t he beast.
As a part time mechanic I have had helicoils back out. I just added new ones.
RE: Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
RE: Standard HeliCoils Untreading Resistance
Just run torque test an eval and set a torque value.
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It is correct helicoils are way better performing threads. I repaired many tool cast fixtures With stripped out bare threads.
Just make sure the contractor is using the special go and no go gages for the required helicoil size and the correct torque values.